M+ is the biggest joke in the history of mankind

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After a 4 month brake I came back to prepare my characters for the next raid. Now after I spent almost 400k gold on a 30 day gametime token, I’m happy to report that after 4 days I was unable to participate in any form of M+

I’m in 444. My useless score is 2590. Over this 4 days I’ve spent a combined time of like 2 hours of applying to +20 keys, and I didn’t get a single invite.

The players are at fault ofc in the first place, but blizzard doesn’t seem to care either to fix this mess. I’ve been playing WoW for 8 years. I have tons of AotC’s, and a CE. While my gear is not contentful bis, I believe it’s pretty decent. And with all that, I’m still unable to get anywhere.

So dear blizzard, and dear M+ players, please explain to me, how a new player is supposed to start playing and stick around? If you don’t have a full 5-man premade of friends, then playing WoW just becomes the most pointless, boring, and useless time you can spend in your life.

Now all of this is probably not new for any of you, ya’ll probably read hundreds of posts like this monthly. But after taking my longest brake from the game, and then coming back, this was a culture shock for me, in light of other games I’ve played during this brake.

And just to prevent any comments like these: No, I don’t want to grind my own key up to +20, which is currently at +6 after the break. No, I don’t have any friends right now who plays WoW. No, my guild is also on a break until the next tier. No, I don’t want to tank keys, I’ve done it enough in the past. No I’m not crying, I have other games to play if blizzard doesn’t want me to play their game. I miss that 400k gold tho :thinking:

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Not sure what you expect here. There will be a ton of people who are better geared and have better score than you applying to these +20s.
Why would they pick you over anyone else. What do you want blizzard to do for you exactly? Give you better gear? Force groups to take you?
You already said you dont want to push your own key up so you are left with trying to join groups that have more and better options…

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well you know what they will say … “just make your own group” :smiley:

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I understand your frustration but I’m kinda stuck on how to assist you here.
But, honestly, the game’s set up this way, and it’s not the player’s fault if they want to be as efficient as possible. If you’re not willing to put in that extra effort to catch up with what others have been doing while you were away, it’s gonna be a tough ride.

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Well, the reason you’re having more fun as DPS is because most people are, which is why the role is over saturated and only the cream of the crop gets invited.

Not sure what a solution would look like that doesn’t break the game.

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I have to genuinely ask. Why would you want to queue for 20’s ? You are clearly not doing it for the score.

If it is for gear, I wouldn’t bother, stick to 17’s for gear drops, or if its for vault only, stick to 16’s.

16’s give you vault items you can upgrade to 447, and also still yield aspect crests.

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Also this. you spent 30 mins a day applying to groups and didnt get an invite. Thats hardly a record :smiley:

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There are some communities for M+ players. I’ve heard great things about the Dungeon Dojo !

I understand your frustration though, especially in your case being ret in a holy pala filled meta.

It’s the end of the season, people tend to either play less overall or just less pugs because they’ve had the whole season to build their network.

I feel that a lot of people that do 20s now are alts from high scored players that will only look for a quick and safe party to grind their gear as easily as possible. They will most probably go as meta as possible, which leave other specs from high profile classes in sometimes a very lonely spot.

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Hi, I recently returned from a break as well.

I have characters with similar item level, and rating as you. I have not had any of the problems you are describing.

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*push your own key
*join communities that doesn’t do high keys
*you’re playing a dps ,there are tons of you so it’s normal to wait 20+mins for an invite
these are some of the useless comments you’ll read here
the reality is
-pushing your own key is as painful as joinin others
-communities don’t do high keys, the one that are doing are usually boost communities
-they won’t ask why there aren’t more healers and tanks but they’ll blame dps players for existing
solutions that doesn’t solve any problem on the forums.

the real solution ? it’s fixing this HORRIBLE game system that has many flaws and issues . hopefully blizz is seeing the amount of topics like yours and takes action.

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Yeah, you are completely right. You literally hit the nail on the head. I don’t wanna put up with it anymore.

I know it, and I accepted it, that in it’s current form, this game is no longer for me. (I do appreciate everyone who tried to give tips in the comments tho).

But I also firmly believe that this is a bad game design. I had fun with it when they announced it in Legion, but by time BfA came out, I already grew tired of it, and not because the system was inherently bad, but simply because of the player mentality that surrounds it, and many other aspects of the game too. And that realization was in BfA for me, many years ago. And I still needed this long brake, to finally accept the fact that I don’t really enjoy WoW anymore. That’s my bad, 100%.

Also, I just wanna add this: if there are people who enjoys this, I absolutely don’t wanna stop them from having fun either. I’m just trying to find the root cause of why returning players, and especially new players doesn’t get to stick around, and the average age of the WoW community just grows older and older.

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Well, the pugs are very terrible experience for me so better get guild and community

a fact: I dont have a guild for long time now

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Your score is quite low to expect to get insta invite to +20s. You are trying to get carried and complaining that people don’t want to carry you. On top of that you’re a Ret Paladin, which is probably the most played DPS spec, it’s definitely a toss up between Ret, Fury Warrior or Hunter.

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none of my friends who started playing wow continued after 70, they just don’t want to bother with this repetitive boring meta oriented gameplay . existing players play this because they are used to it . it’s like a habit atp. there are other reasons too but i don’t want to get flagged again for expressing how i feel lol so i’ll leave it there.

said the broken support class player that has an easy access to any key

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I agree with you that these types of answers (mine included) aren’t a one size fits all solution.

Unfortunately, I feel that the holy trinity has been a part of this game for so long that I don’t see Blizzard moving on from it.

The reasons for players not wanting to tank or heal are numerous aswell… I fear that there won’t be any simplified answers to these issues.

As you said the best we can hope is that Blizzard is reading these kinds of feeback and are willing to TRY to come up with solutions to some of these causes…

I personally feel that the meta has never been this focused on, and having reduced the key level for getting the best gear through vault from 20 to 16 has made this fact more proeminent

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Yeah and what do you think I’d rather play? My Hunter that I have been playing since vanilla or this stupid broken boring spec ???

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i think the only solution is a new mmo atp because we’re too deep in the problem.

:slight_smile: thanks for agreeing on the issue . there are 25 dps specs fighting for 2 spots and there are always 2-3 good dps specs that is in ‘‘s tier’’ so the god comp is probably here to stay. at least you’ll keep enjoying the game.

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That’s just the life of a dps/non-meta class.
You get ignored unless you are top 1%, just like in real life.
The only thing you can do i get an egde by going something most people dont, tanking and healing. If you dont have those options and have fun queing 100 keys :slight_smile:

The one thing blizzard can do but will never do as the 1% will cry about it is to make m+ no longer deplet.
Why wouldnt they change it? “Because then its no longer m+!”
There is plenty of thing blizzard can do to make it easier for casual players and returning players to get back into the game but they simply wont because they are understaffed and are still stuck in the notion that overcoming pain and stuggles will lead to higher dopamine (which is true to an extent)
Currently m+ is just too punishing and has been for a VERY long time.

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It’s crazy to me that the godcomp has evaded any significant nerfs to it, for so long.

It’s especially weird because I was under the impression, based on previous patches, that Blizzard was willing to fix rather quickly these kinds of “op specs”. We’ve seen so many changes to tanks for example in the beginning of each seasons…

But since aug is live, it’s like they forgot that they had this will to at least TRY to balance specs…

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