if you guys love this broken system so much that’s good for you but STOP attacking everyone who’s expressing their issues with it. it’s not that deep you don’t have to defend it this hard let people say what they want to say. you can keep ignoring how bad pug experience is with communities but that doesn’t change the fact that LFG tool is useless and the experience it gives is horrible. good day.
Socialize and make friends for a smoother and possibly more sucessfull run = requires to do the most horrifying…unspeakable horror possible in an MMO. Ok. bear with me. Here it goes. T… T… TALK with somebody. inner screeming
Or you run with absolute randoms in a pug. No effort, no talking, but the pug world is a complete “wild west”.
Can’t have cake and eat it too. Make your choice. Don’t expect pugs to have the same sportmanship as a guildy or a friend.
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For all i hear; the best is to remove LFG for dungeons completely. Pugging seems to be the issue.
Blizz stated M+ is for coordinated groups in the first place anyway. Remove the ‘random’ grouping. Fixed.
If you dont put in any effort you dont get anything out.
We KNOW that if you want to do it it is possible. Thats why we are here stating it.
You and OP seem to think the other players in this game owe you something just by being there.
Well newsflash, we dont. We worked up to do the keys we do, if you dont want to do that dont come crying on the forums that the game is bad…
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would be way better than what we have now . at least there won’t be a fake scene making it look like pugging is a fun option
??? what does this have to do with anything i said here ?
Pfff. Blizz is just giving everyone the freedom to choose to play how they like. It is up to the players to decide. Options are good.
I operate this way as well!!
i’m done with this topic since you guys started trolling, see you on the next one where you’ll assume stuff and undermine another person’s opinions/experience just because they expressed how they feel and that’s not the reaction you wanted to see. have a nice day
Or perhaps people need to finally accept that everything has a price?
Socializing. Apparently requires effort to some and some people are plain allergic to talking it seems.
Pugging. The no-effort labor saving method comes with its own price. If the price for some is too steep. Then dont take that approach.
I simply never understand the logic behind some who think that they “should get everything for nothing”. Sometimes…actually a lot of times you have to do something yourself too, to get the best possible experience.
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We are handing out explanations why things happen, we give suggestions for solutions for these feelings too. But when we do we are the one who are trolling?
Have a nice day too.
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were is the logic in that?
I think the only way to do M+ consistently and with as little hassle as possible is to find a Community to do it in.
We’re basically back to how wow was in TBC where you had to find a guild to do higher end content. People found this problematic and they added the LFD system in Wrath to allow players to group up.
They need a new form of challenging and rewarding dungeoneering that is compatible with random match making groups.
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Friends
community
guilds
and tbh 90%+ of pugs are fine to if you use your own key.
The OP and breaths yet again are making problems were there are none.
Breaths doesnt even do m+ and hates it but has a lot to say about it and none of it true.
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I personally dont mind. But honestly. Thats another can of worms. Challenging but the same time queable? We will have a repeat of early cata HC dungeons = complaint 
storm how it was too “hard”.
I get the idea that people have grown to the idea that “if its queable then it must be killable while I trim my toenails and watch netflix on the other screen”.
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That’s why my sentence included the word “meaningful”.
It’s still brokenly good, and way ahead of every kther compo, by a imho unreasonable amount.
I’m pretty much in the same boat.
I see a lot of threads on the topic though. Seems like there are a lot of players who struggle to get into groups.
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And stubornly refuse to use all solutions offered to them.
Imagine if all those people who struggle to get into groups would team up and make their own groups? Their complaints would vanish in a matter of minutes…
Sadly. That wont happen because [please insert your favourite reason here].
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And when they post they are directed to a lot of well known and long term communitys to help them with there keys and to help them make friends , but soon as it is mentioned me and others are called trolls Breaths just likes to make trouble in these types of posts.
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With a system (similar to M+) with many levels then the complaints wouldn’t have merit. If you’re struggling at +20 then stay at +18.
Of course +18 would have to be rewarding to do. It can’t be a +20 or die situation. So no big rewards at really high levels other than some titles, achievements and perhaps a tabard or mogs (recolours that aren’t really unique).
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There are definately players who get declined a lot. There are a lot of people who want to join groups and when they sign up they are added to the list.
Its not unusual to see 50+dps signed up for your +20 key and you have to decide which 3 of them to take. Obviously this leaves 47 people to get declined.
When you look at it in this context its not personal, its just how it is.
Group leaders make a decision based on the only information available to them, IO and ILVL. They also want a lust, a CR, and any buffs that would help.
Thats why making your own group is SOOOO much better because then you are in the driving seat and you get to pick the 3 people you want.
You can NEVER be declined from your own key.
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