M+ resilient key 'tipping'

“note tip” - “tips appreciated” - “Xk gold per try”

Why is this allowed? Setting aside my personal opinion of this abhorrent behaviour, these groups do not belong in the regular dungeon group finder. They are a bought service (a very terrible one) and should only be allowed to be advertised in the services channel, not in regular group finder.

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Just report them and move on .I mostly do the same.with enough reports they will get actioned on

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Alternatively you can wait in the quew to never get invited. You can pay even more gold for a boost. Or you can push your own keys to that level.

If people pay for that it’s because its worth the gold.

If you don’t like it, instead of punishing the sellers. Then suggest things Blizzard can do to reduce the demand.

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I agree.

Blizzard has rules against advertising in LFG for boosts. The same has to apply for resilient tip beggars. Its the same thing

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I don’t disagree with your sentiment towards the selling itself, my problem arises when it seeps out from the part we call services into the ‘regular’ game. Seeing as resilient keys only exists at 12’s and above, the vast majority of people probably don’t even know of this trend. Call it a service and let it be part of the services channel like every other service. I am tired of seeing these groups that have no relevance to me and I am tired of it being normalised to the point of applying to ‘normal’ groups and getting whispers with “tip?”. This could easily trickle down to lower keys if given room for it. Same for raiding where you sell tries for a boss on heroic or whatever just because you have lockout. As a service, it’s fine. But I’d hate for it to be normalised and infect the ‘regular’ part of the game.

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We got resilient keys.

Run…your…own…key… Literally. There is ZERO excuse.

We screamed and begged for no Depletes or a similar mechanism for years. To make “homework keys” less of a drag.

We got it. And you STILL insist on applying to groups? REALLY?

So. You want to push RIO, than play your own keys.

However. When you get to +14/+15. And you got a ToP15 key you want to run with your buddies, and its NOT resilient. You want to practice it first.

You pay 50k to that dude with the resilient key. Practice it 10 or so times. Gain XP and increase your chances of timing your own key by a LOT. Worth every G.

And if nobody sold keys. I would still try to find someone with a ToP15 resilient to practice in… Its simply so valuable.

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“Individuals and guilds selling boost or assistance in raiding, dungeon, or PvP activities for gold is allowed but can only be advertised in-game through the Trade Services chat channel”

Directly from Blizzard. This 100% applies and these players should be warned then actioned if they dont take the warning

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Thats great. Use the services channel to find one

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Except it’s not the same.

Nobody is playing anything for you. Nobody is “assisting you” on timing the key. You have to time it 100% of the time. With your own skill.

That part dosent apply.

For example: Selling a Mythic Save/skip is not the same to selling a Mythic boost.

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You are stating your personal opinion just for the fact the you wrote an adjective with a negative connotation before the word “behavior” :cowboy_hat_face:

Well, regardless of yours or anyone’s opinion those groups don’t belong to LFG so report and move on with your day. You might wait for next month thread about how X player got silence by using LFG “just for a tip”.

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You are completely missing the point of what I’m trying to say. I have 15’s as resilient and I have done multiple 16’s. I am no stranger to pugging or pushing rio, that is not the issue at hand. The issue is normalising the act of selling a service/selling key tries, whatever you want to call it.

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I said it before. If you don’t like it, its more efficient to remove the reasons as to why people pay for it in the first place.

You think moving it to a different channel will change anything? It wont.

If you do, your next (and OPs) thread in the forums will be “people got unfair advantages for paying Gs… its P2W game”… :smiley:

Then suggest changes to reduce demand.

Let me give you an extreme and absurd example to prove a point:

Do you think buying gold is bad? I do. And you know what is the only 100% sure guaranteed way of completely killing gold buying/selling (and bots) and all that “underground” economy?

Blizzard sends us 10B gold to the bank right now. To every player. And everything is price controlled. DONE.

That’s not what the wording is. It says assisting. Being allowed access to a resilient key is assisting. You are paying for a service.

It wouldnt hurt you at all for it to be moved to its proper place.

All this being said, just remove keystones. All 14 timed? You can do any 15 any amount of times like delves. All 15? Now you can do any 16.

Fixes all our problems

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Demand has nothing to do with where and how the services are advertised. I am not disputing the demand for paying for resilient keys. You are once again ignoring the point. And you clearly have no economic sense with that suggestion…

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Sure why not.

That would be 100x more efficient than moving “tips” to services.

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Its what we all want. Everyone is happy besides the “tip me gang”, resilient beggars in shambles as a bonus :joy:

And you are missing the point too.

There are so few +15s in LFG that you would simply have 2 windows open when looking for a group:

LFG. And “services”.

When you get tired of not being invited in LFG you look for “services”. And move back and fourth between those windows.

In fact. If you do that, it will take ~ 1 week for a new “mandatory” M+ addon that transforms “services” into that 2nd LFG window so its easier to see.

That is why the Demand part is important. And the fact that YOU dont see it, dosent mean it does not exist.

That would be a choice that I could make (and would refuse to make). Currently, I am unable to make that choice because they are bleeding together. If what you are saying was actually true, that would be the case for raiding already, but it very much is not.

??? Yes you do have a choice. What are you talking about. Simply apply to those with out tip. EZ. All you are arguing about is esthetics of LFG.

When you dont have a choice, what that means is that MOST of the groups you apply ask for a tip. And if you make them move to “services”, MOST keys will move there. Leaving only 1 or 2 in LFG. Killing M+ in high keys with it.

So. As I said before. The only real solution is to eliminate demand.

Raiding has its own problems, because its a totally different system. Problems like paying gold for items in PuG groups. :slight_smile:

No, it’s because your argument makes 0 sense.

You could say they should allow people selling M+ boosts to flood LFG because you can

but in that case it would be apply for a run without a price take. It’s advertising. This is objective fact, i don’t know why you choose this hill to die on lol