Wha… I haven’t done dungeons for the loot in so long. I really thought a +14 is 223 xD
Ooh, I remembered, Preach was complaining it’s slightly lower than Heroic CN, which is 213, and he was right back then - it was only done to slow down raiders, with 15s dropping 210 ilvl gear. I’m fine with 14s dropping higher ilvl reward, but let’s be fair - 14s and 15s is easy 226 ilvl. How about we have people who want top ilvl gear go and do the top pve content :expressionless
But… you’re 225 though. And you only need to get your heroic SLG trinket and you’ll be more or less good. And you’re wearing a sinful gladiator gloves and I’m certain you sim your gear and you know what you’re wearing is the best. You could easily get 226 boe gloves, I’m pretty sure they’ll give you decent stats. The only items you have that aren’t 226 aren’t even dungeon items. It’s not like M+ limited you at all.
Goes to show you know basically nothing about M+ and yet you talk about it like you do. I think I don’t need to discuss further with you.
Never said they could, I’m not advocating for such system to be implemented week 1 of the season, because clearly no one will be able to clear 20s anyway but a couple of months after the season has been released why not give M+ players options to get the same gear as everyone else? I’m tired of having the vault only to be able to get 226 gear when I spend as much time if not more as raiders and complete hard content too.
Ehm…it does. SLG and Denathrius 233 gear being added is an upgrade technically. My dagger for instance was not a boss drop. Apparently one doesnt even need to kill both bosses to access the loot as Denathrius loot was added to my vault before i killed Generals.
Yeah and? You wouldn’t say 2400cr arena is easy because other players are 3000cr would you? Plus there’s literally like 10 people who timed a 30, I guess everyone else is have easy life lol
20s are plenty hard, it’s 30 to 40 minutes of being focused, not failing mechanics, trying to maximize the dps constantly, planning a route, etc.
huh? since when do heroic raid vault items upgrade to 233? the only weapons that have a higher item level than the rest of the raid, namely item level 233 are the mythic raid items from the last two bosses (in general the last two bosses always drop higher item level loot regardless of difficulty). and they are no upgrades either, they have naturally a 233 item level.
https://i.imgur.com/Lvkzia0.png
raiders do not get “upgraded” gear in their vault.
Have you done either? Are you following the M+ scene? I don’t think you realize how hard 20s are. Just because something scales doesn’t mean it’s not hard when it’s not at the very top level.
This is true. 20s are hard. Now, there’s a reason why you can clear 20s and are 2/10 mythic, mate. You’re clearly a good player, but… there’s no question mythic raiding simply requires more. It requires 4 times as many dedicated players as a good M+ team, it requires more time dedication, more planning, more research, more comp optimization, it requires people leveling and gearing alts just to get one boss down.
There’s a reason why a player like you hasn’t cleared Mythic CN. I haven’t because I am a mediocre player in a casual guild, I do my 14s and 15s to help my mates and I don’t care much. All the loot from m+ is vendor trash to me at this point.
You need to kill 3 bosses to get an item in the vault, but once you do that, I think you can get a Denathrius item. The big problem is the 3rd boss. The first 2 bosses are quite easy on mythic, but the third is a huge dps and coordination check.
That’s a lot of assumptions from someone who does not know me and does neither raid or M+.
Yes, it’s called me not liking raiding and I don’t want to be in a guild, I could have cleared it if I wanted to, I tried a few nights on a few mythic bosses was just bored out of my mind watching people fail simple mechanics over and over again.
M+ takes all of that too except less people and most mythic guilds that don’t try for top 100 don’t even do most of these.
I’ve tried a few 20s and failed all of them, they are hard, plus people want meta classes so you can imagine as enhancement it’s been hard finding a push group, i’m even the top enhancement on my server with only 1850rio.
I don’t understand why you guys are so against the fact that a couple months into the season M+ players could get access to max ilvl rewards reliably like other forms of end game content.
Exactly. And this is why Mythic raids give the best reward. Because it’s one thing to find 5 players and coordinate them, it’s another to do the same with 20. No matter how high you go in M+, it will never match what’s demanded of mythic raiders. You can do M+30, and still - that won’t be enough to warrant giving mythic denathrius ilvl reward. Simply because one takes 20 players and the other takes 5.
