How has this comp been able to rampage its way to 3k rating? for so long?
The classes complement eachother very well
No the microphone compliments each other well.
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greater pie, greater pie, greater pie, greater pie. hp% damage abilities need to be re-designed TBH. all of them including greater pie as fun as it was before it became hidden OP.
and the fact mage rogue priest has generally been bread and butter comps since the word go.
um this word exists now for centuries i believe and world of warcraft arena exists since 2007? 2008?
Can we confirm that rogue+mage wasn’t viable before Christ?
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Probably because they were hardly affected by pruning
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Hardly affected by pruning he said.
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RM wasn’t as pruned as the rest of the classes.
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Well I can count quite a few things to be honest be then I’m not so knowledgeable about all classes so maybe you’re right.
That being said if I should just mention one thing, losing Prep hurt rm, having the possibility to hard reset twice was huge and now it’s gone.
Let’s imagine an universe in which Rogue and Mages were prunned similarly to other classes to be in line with them.
Mage
- Barriers (shields) are talents, it’s on row with Dragon’s Breath for Fire Mages and second charge of Blink (Shimmer wouldn’t exist)
- Ice Block removed from Mages - they’re mobile casters right? not tanky casters
- Polymorph lasts 6 seconds instead
Rogue
- Crimson Vial removed (that would’ve actually been good idea, stealth class build around avoiding damage shouldn’t have self heal, so they cannot stealth - heal up, damage in stun and reset)
- Feint removed
- Sap removed
- Poisons removed
- Vendetta on a row with Marked for Death
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What a tragedy. You guys have it terrible.
How about you give up Evasion, Crimson Vial, Smokebomb, Feint, Cheap Shot and Wound Poison.
Because some classes have lost what’s roughly equivilant to that (Crimson Vial is literally MoP Enraged Regen on half the CD).
All successful arena streams to watch will always be mage, also sometimes rogue.
Rest of classes, nobody wants to watch them. Because they are boring.
Nobody wants to watch healer pov, melee pov or the rest of the casters except mage. If you go to twitch, the top 5 watched arena streams will always have mages in them and bottom 5 will never have a mage in them.
Sad but true.
I remember watching Ziqo playing his mage together with Akro a week ago or so. I mean, they may be both good players but all they did were: Sap -> Greater Pyro, Greater Pyro, Stun, Meteor -> Enemy dead.
Sorry but nobody needs to be super skilled in Arena to manage to get with Mage+Rogue combo to 1,8+. They have some techniques designed for idiots (Greater Pyro for example), and thats sad because with some classes you really need to rethink what you have to do.
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For whipsertroll :
I assume you’re comparing Poly and Fear. Fear doesn’t insta break on damage. Fear doesn’t dispel a bunch of DoTs put up to set up a go. Hence, it lasts 6s and not 8. If you can’t understand that and insist on being whiny about it just play mage or simply shut it. Else, Shimmer shouldn’t exist imo indeed. Feint on st damage shouldn’t exist either. Sap removed? Interesting. A cc that is in melee range if rogue is stealth and if enemy target isn’t in combat. Truly an interesting choice for the “to remove” spell list. Then I guess we also remove all stronger cc, as all spammable cc such as Poly and Fear, then because some classes are left without cc we remove the rest. Stop being stupid… Poisons removed? Be happy they were removed for 2 of thr three specs already, talking about pruning. Assa still has them because the spec is poison spec. It’s like saying let’s remove shadow damage from shadow priests. Stupid. I personally find that MfD on such a short cooldown is too strong. However putting Vendetta on a talent would mean a spec with ZERO burst cooldown which isn’t really possible balance wise.
Mister warrior, some classes have lost what’s equivalent but then if we are to remove all this from rogues then let’s also remove everything the other classes have that rogues do not. AoE fear from warriors, ranged component on storm bolt, rallying cry and spell reflect, as well as mortal strike healing red? That sounds stupid right? Just like removing core spells to rogue. Feint should be removed though.
That’s because of comments like that that we keep losing spells across the game instead of gaining some on classes that lack them. People can’t say “X class lacks that please add” they must say " Y and A have this and not X please remove" and now we’re in a stupid meta with pruned classes.
Claiming rogues or Mages weren’t pruned is wrong. I could do a full list… Yeah some classes lost spells that rogues still have the opposite is true as well. Don’t focus on what they still have focus on what they lost. Why do people play assa? Because sub was pruned hard, lost prep, lost poisons, lost slows, lost disarm, lost bleeds, lost consistent energy regen, lost a silence effect, lost disarm, lost gouge, lost the baseline shiv, and so on. All the classes are living that.
Oh and yeah, Greater Pyro is, alongside Chaos Bolt, the epitome of idiocy and should be removed.
As a side note, for mister paladin no one needs to be super skilled to be 1.8 at all. Some people do it as awar arcane, imagine…
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Thats why i wrote 1,8+ and not 1.8. I know its not that hard to reach 1,8, but its relatively hard to reach every rating after that number for certain classes.
Compared to other classes/speccs, yes.
If we exclude the mutilation of Subtlety.
This without a joke is accurate.
That is sad.
There’s not even a kit left then.
We’ve already lost:
- Intercept
- Intervene
- Banners
- Armor pen abilities
- All self healing (Second Wind (all versions), Blood Craze, Enraged Regen etc.)
- Shockwave
- Baseline Disarm
- Baseline Spell Reflect
- Stances
- Shield Wall
- Demo shout
That was just what I could think of at the top of my head.
I don’t like rogues, they have almost every tool in the game, and for that reason will never be irrelevant. You’re also dominating the M+ scene.
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He said “not as pruned as the others” to be precise.
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