So I decided to have a go at the Mage Tower on my SV Hunter and after a few attempts I just gave up. Not out of difficulty but out of the fact my hunter was so weak without all the borrowed power it just wasn’t fun at all. If the re-release of the mage tower has done anything, it’s shown us how empty our classes really are. It’s kinda embarrassing on Blizzards part.
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Totally, I was thinking the same earlier…
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The problem is that, as someone who complated mage tower on, enh shaman, ele shaman, feral druid, balance druid, guardian druid, frost dk, outlaw rogue, destro lock, demo lock that back then you had no GCD, legiondaries, tier sets, overall better classes as over the years they take away more and more spells. I did most challenges around TOS time and most took 50-100 attempts. don’t be to early to judge that they’re hard but deffo overturned. Not impossible, with the current tunes it’ll prolly be for the 1-2% which for a recolor transmog doesn’t seem fair.
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I have done challange on Paladin, Warrior, Monk, Warlock, Death Knight and Hunter. But now I don’t even feel that I have chance. It feels like I’m on level 5 and my enemy on 30.
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You just not good enough.
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I’ve been saying this since 8.2 - Blizz has to put borrowed power because they noticed they deleted the entire game during MoP. First big mistake was introducing specs in Cata, then removing talent trees in MoP. Classes are empty, there is no customization, there is no interesting gameplay. It’s just bad and borrowed power is a band aid.
And you’ve seen how badly Blizzard’s attempts to walk back flying have gone - they can’t remove specs, they can’t bring back talent trees.
Multiespec is great! It SHOULD be viable… but why not let us have the talent trees and we can save 3 loadouts and swap between them freely? Let us mix and match our talents from all the talent trees, just like in Classic or in Diablo 2, which has the best talent trees out of any game ever.
As long as we don’t have talent trees that we need to mix and match, we’ll have to live with this perpetual band aid, borrowed power.
Basically what OP said.
And also it feels like you’re being told to write with your left hand while being right dominant.
Then when you pull it off?.. it’s not rewarding
Just leaves you going “wow… so this is what devs really think of my class bare”
At that point you know none of the things you asked for in the past to improve your class will ever get done 
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… No clue as to what you reffer to here.
I believe before Cataclysm, you simply put your points into a specific tree.
In Cataclysm, you picked a spec (for example Mages when they chose what spec to use, gained 10% increased damage to that spell school), and you couldn’t put any points in the other talent trees unless you had put in 31 points in your chosen spec.
In Vanilla/TBC/Wrath(I Guess), you can put 10 points into one of the trees, and then put 20 in a different tree, and then 20 in the third one.
Pretty much, also the fact they didn’t just do some Legion template gear for the event tells you exactly what you need to know.
I haven’t seen anyone complete this challenge on a level 50 using heirlooms which are ilvl 50-55 etc with no enchants/consumes. So far they’ve all been people with certain trinkets, enchants, often gems in their gear, etc. Weird to me basically all the people completing it are around 250 ilvl I bet not all gear scales like they say it does.
Prior to Cata, your class was a combination of all 3 talent trees, which you mix and match to your heart’s content. In Wrath, there was multispec, which allowed you to save 2 talent loadouts and swap between them freely. You can look up some talent builds for Classic, you’ll see many classes put points into all 3 talent trees, but spec for a specific purpose. Classes were much deeper as a result and allowed for more customization. Of course, meta builds existed, but that’s not an indictment on the system itself.
Now we barely have any customization. I mained this warrior in BFA and I was shocked I couldn’t have piercing howl in my main spec. Why? Because Blizz had arbitrarily decided that I can’t have it, unless I swap specs.
With the older system, you played the class, not the spec. All your class’ abilities were accessible to you if you chose to spec into them. Now you just play 1 of 3 loadouts, with minimal customization between them.
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That is soooo TRUE omg
If u play PvP alot halth of your spells are grey, i cannot use Shi*
My rotation is 3 buttons and i Got 0 utility what i got true pvp talents and covenant
They shrunk the talent trees aswell, in wotlk you could spend a max of 71 points anywhere and the top talent was at 51.
Cata’s top was at 31(31 at the chosen specc was forced as you said) and a total of 41 points to spend.
But in the end the trees were/are the same illusion of choise as they are now, you pick the ones needed for the content you do. There will always be a cookiecutter build no matter what system they bring in.
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I’m not sure if the Xylem fight is bugged, but I died on <20% on my survival hunter and on my arms warrior and got the set both times. I didn’t have any special gear on either, but I was 36/36 in legion.
Yes but there are different cookies and it’s stupid if you have to use mandatory “cookie-cutter” build that’s just impotent on the cookies you like.
I pretty much loved the specs in cata, mop, legion and bfa. I felt like an enhancement shaman, especially in legion and bfa. Nowdays i feel like a melee elemental shaman.
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