Mage vs every other caster in M+

[Falsejaina-ragnaros]

@Breanogar-aggramar

Ive seen how mages especially frost do dmg. But still today. So many classes beat them on aoe.

What classes, what aoe? With what gear? This is very questionable. Either someone doesn’t know how to play, or have wrong gear. On raidbots frost doing really well
on 5 target dummies for 5 min with their native buff compared to other classes.

[Saikyoo-venoxis]

@Thellanah-aggramar

They should just do something better for the next expack some classes in pve pvp are still in 2012 stage like blizzard needs to get to 2024 change classes up.

At this point I would prefer them nerfing the classes that have too much overall while removing the problems from classes that prevent them be viable lots of times.

Do for example Rogues and Mages really need lots of utility, lots of CC, lots of mobility, lots of dmg and still being one of the tankiest classes in the game? I dont think so.

Its also questionable why every class got something unique that pushes the raid but shaman (Ele/Resto), so ele will never be seen in World first raids simply due them not bringing anything to the raid so the only reason is to bring them for their performance, which wasnt high enough to consider in recent years.

Its a choice blizzard makes. They want certain classes to be above others.

[Saikyoo-venoxis]

@Breanogar-aggramar

Ive seen how mages especially frost do dmg. But still today. So many classes beat them on aoe. And thats just life.

As soon as you realize that DMG is not allways the leading factor in M+. Sometimes like this season the dmg threshholds that are needed is easily met, than other things get more important.

For example helping your group to survive.

[Ayellin-kazzak (Ayellin)]

@Breanogar-aggramar

You seem to forget what that was paired up with…

That literally has nothing to do with it there are literally 10specs that are NOT mage specs that gets more benefit from PI there is literally more specs that gets more benefit from Aug then any mage spec.
It is literally more worth to give a Prot warrior PI then to give a Frost mage PI.

When you learn this you will become better.

It is not the damage component that matters while at the same time Fire mage is the number 5 highest damage spec in m+ and it has insane Defensive insane mobility insane utility.
There is zero downside to run a mage.

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

@Breanogar-aggramar

But before in high keys i told someone to pick a mage. But he said nah they shiz.

And yet before all the buffs the highest keys in the world we’re still done by mages.

[Thellanah-aggramar]

@Saikyoo-venoxis

Its a choice blizzard makes. They want certain classes to be above others.

then have you seen pvp mist monks i wont say anything else they are ebola to much CC and mobility compared to other healers.