Magister Umbric's hands are stained with the blood of civilians, do you think he will ever be held accountable?

[Crankburn-argent-dawn]

World of Warcraft is no stranger to building up antagonists and villains over time. Gallywix was introduced in Cataclysm but it wasn’t until many expansions later that he ended up being killed off as a poetic consequence of his sins both real and perceived.

Imagine my shock, then, when I find myself going through the BFA quest chains once more. This time older and with a more mature outlook.

Back then I didn’t quite grasp how horrific the implications of the quest chain happen to be. You are sent to travel to Azshara to confront Gallywix in his pleasure palace - but Magister Umbric immediately starts spinning up a bizarre attempt to justify the senseless murder of waitresses and socialites just innocently hanging about. Being rich and spoiled is not justification for murder - and make no mistake, the quest dialogue makes it clear that Umbric is encouraging the slaughter for his own selfish satisfaction.

Do you think this will ever result in some long term consequences or are we to assume that it will never be addressed again?

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

Umbric is an alliance leader now. He has infinite plot armor. No justice will ever come from it.

[Thuzar-argent-dawn (Thuzar)]

@Crankburn-argent-dawn

Do you think this will ever result in some long term consequences or are we to assume that it will never be addressed again?

I forgot about this quest, could you give me the name of it perhaps?

If true I guess it just goes to show elves are inherently drawn to warcrimes, as it would mark the 2nd alliance thalassian elf to commit and justify the murder of civillians.

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

Long story short he threw ambassadors into the Void directly. I don’t think there is a fate worse then this.

[Kda-die-nachtwache]

@Erevien-die-aldor

I don’t think there is a fate worse then this.

Could have been forced to join the horde

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

random alliance comment no one cares about.

[Kda-die-nachtwache]

@Erevien-die-aldor

random alliance comment

Did you just assume my faction? I am with Valdrakken only

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

your avatar is blue so yes. Umbric did numerable war crimes but no one cares cuz the alliance is favored by Blizzard.

[Shadowtwili-argent-dawn (Shadowtwili)]

@Crankburn-argent-dawn

a bizarre attempt to justify the senseless murder of waitresses and socialites just innocently hanging about

“I was just following orders” is not a valid defense.

They know who they tried to suck up to (socialites) or who they work for (waitresses).

They are legit military targets in the same way the Horde thought civilians of Theramore or Kul Tirasians were legit military targets.

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

They are civilians in the true sense of the word. Umbric is evil and must be stopped.

[Shadowtwili-argent-dawn (Shadowtwili)]

Why are civilians acceptable targets for the Horde but not for the Alliance?

When will the double standards stop? When will the entire Horde leadership including Lor’themar “I love warcrimes” Theron be called to the stands to face punishment for their crimes?

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

No one said the Horde targeting Teldrassil was right. NO ONE. Literally all of BFA was about tue story telling us to the face the Horde was in the wrong which is why they lost. Are you that dense? Difference in Blizzard seeing those things is that the Horde culprits are always punished while characters like Umbric and Vereesa get away scott free.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Lor’themar “I love warcrimes” Theron be called to the stands to face punishment for their crimes?

Lol now you are reaching. Lor’themar never took part in any crimes. You just hate him cuz he wears the color red. It is impossible to have a normal debate with alliance fanatics.

[Shadowtwili-argent-dawn (Shadowtwili)]

@Erevien-die-aldor

Horde culprits are always punished

Lol, lmao sure buddy.

Sylvanas sure is getting punished hard!

Vol’jin too! Godhood is such a punishment!

Thrall and Baine are really suffering because of their punishment, as is Lor’themar! So much punishment!

Remember when the August Celestials wanted to let Garrosh go as punishment for his crimes? So much punishment!

@Erevien-die-aldor

while characters like Umbric and Vereesa get away scott free

Vereesa became the way she is because the Horde slaughtered her husband

Umbric became the way he was because the Horde exiled him from his homeland and Alleria offered a helping hand.

Both became what they are, and did what they did, because of the Horde wronging them. When will the Horde stand trial for that?

@Erevien-die-aldor

Lor’themar never took part in any crimes.

He happily obliged the Warchiefs in their wars of genocide (a crime) until they turned against him.

He happily obliged Sylvanas when she wanted to raise the death (aslong as they weren’t blood elves, but its cool he’s fine with the high elves bieng risen).

Since he claims the Sunreavers still fel under Silvermoon jurisdiction the Sunreavers providing Garrosh with a WMD is also partially his fault.

Blood elven forces activively use blood magic for their new golems (blood magic is Old God magic).

He pardoned the Sunfury after they joined Kael’thas and the Legion.

Lor’themar exiled an entire group of elves into a post-apocalyptic undeath wasteland filled with zombies and trolls because they disagree with him.

Actively allowing the use of Fel magic to rebuild and sustain his city.

Allowing the torture and use of Naaru as a battery for his “paladin order”.

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Sylvanas sure is getting punished hard!

Was sent to Maw which is literally the hell of Warcraft.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Vol’jin too! Godhood is such a punishment!

is dead until Blizzard says otherwise, also did not support Garrosh at any point.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Thrall and Baine are really suffering because of their punishment, as is Lor’themar! So much punishment!

What exactly did Baine and Thrall do wrong? Mind you green Moses is the reason Deathwing was defeated. Sounds ungrateful.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Remember when the August Celestials wanted to let Garrosh go as punishment for his crimes? So much punishment!

Garrosh is also dead.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Vereesa became the way she is because the Horde slaughtered her husband

She was always anti Horde and always looked for a reason to go ful rain of steel on the Sunreavers.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Umbric became the way he was because the Horde exiled him from his homeland and Alleria offered a helping hand.

Umbric dabbed in dark powers who already corrupted others before his plot armor kicked in. Infact he had died without Alleria ex machina because he COULDN’T control the Void on his own.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

He happily obliged the Warchiefs in their wars of genocide (a crime) until they turned against him.

He rebelled at his first chancs which you ignore gleefully.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Blood elven forces activively use blood magic for their new golems

Anima magic from the Mogu.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Allowing the torture and use of Naaru as a battery for his “paladin order”.

M’uru sacrificed himself willingly to rekindle the Sunwell.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

He pardoned the Sunfury after they joined Kael’thas and the Legion.

Royal pardons are very much normal in any war. Read Game of Thrones if you want to look realistic writing in.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

because they disagree with him.

Because they would have started a rebellion since their loyalty to the alliance was stronger then what the government said.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Actively allowing the use of Fel magic to rebuild and sustain his city.

Fel is better then Void.

[Sibugai-argent-dawn]

The cats are back.

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

I am in a combatitive mood today.

[Shadowtwili-argent-dawn (Shadowtwili)]

@Erevien-die-aldor

Was sent to Maw which is literally the hell of Warcraft.

Yeah, but she doesn’t get tortured or turned into resources now does she?

She gets to wander around freely down there.

@Erevien-die-aldor

is dead until Blizzard says otherwise

no, he is hibernating to turn into the Loa of Kings, as you well know.

@Erevien-die-aldor

also did not support Garrosh at any point

He did at the start, until he turned against Garrosh for not doing what he wanted.

@Erevien-die-aldor

What exactly did Baine and Thrall do wrong?

Baine stood by Garrosh until he turned on the “weak” races of the Horde.

Thrall appointed Garrosh even when Garrosh warned him he did not want to be Warchief.

@Erevien-die-aldor

Garrosh is also dead.

Not as punishment for all the crimes he commited. But by Thrall’s hand after he refused to Alliance their justice and only because he changed Thrall’s vision of the Horde.

@Erevien-die-aldor

She was always anti Horde

Yes, because the Horde burned down large swathes of her nation, allied with the Amani and then a Horde suck up exiled her and her people from Quel’thalas.

@Erevien-die-aldor

always looked for a reason to go ful rain of steel on the Sunreavers

Wanting them not be part of Dalaran =/= wanted to murder them.

@Erevien-die-aldor

He rebelled at his first chancs which you ignore gleefully.

He rebelled when Garrosh send his people into the meatgrinder. Don’t try and whitewash that the Regent-Lord was wholly unboard until that point.

@Erevien-die-aldor

Anima magic from the Mogu.

Which is blood magic.

@Erevien-die-aldor

M’uru sacrificed himself willingly to rekindle the Sunwell.

Post-deed whitewashing. The blood elves did not know it at that time and gleefully did it and let it happen in the Regent Lord’s case.

@Erevien-die-aldor

Because they would have started a rebellion since their loyalty to the alliance was stronger then what the government said.

Source?

@Erevien-die-aldor

Fel is better then Void.

Not true, its different but just as dangerous and corruptive.

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Yeah, but she doesn’t get tortured or turned into resources now does she?

It is still a sucky job and everyone who ever did maw dailies back in Shadowlands can confirm this.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

She gets to wander around freely down there.

For the next gazillion years.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

no, he is hibernating to turn into the Loa of Kings, as you well know.

yes. He has no official status. He entered a pod and then Blizzard forogt about his arc.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

He did at the start

Source for that?

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

until he turned against Garrosh for not doing what he wanted.

Lor’themar was among his first critics.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Baine stood by Garrosh until he turned on the “weak” races of the Horde.

Dude Baine snitched to Jaina about the attack in Theramore from the get go. He betrayed his own faction so many times I lost count.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Thrall appointed Garrosh even when Garrosh warned him he did not want to be Warchief.

And then Garrosh was deleted into a anima cloud. Can’t get more deader then this.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Yes, because the Horde burned down large swathes of her nation,

It is up for Quel’thalas to decide if that is beyond redemption or not. The blood elves firmly have a different opinion then the alliance aligned Windrunner sisters who suck up to human potential.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Amani and then a Horde suck up exiled her and her people from Quel’thalas.

The Amani are no longer part of the Horde. Also the Silver Covenant is basically an anti blood elf hate group who always wanted a fitting excuse to kill Aethas and his people.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Wanting them not be part of Dalaran =/= wanted to murder them.

Purge of Dalaran says hello.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Don’t try and whitewash that the Regent-Lord was wholly unboard until that point.

the blood elves earned their share of distrust on humans after they tried to kill them all at least three times by now(Garithos, Arthas and Jaina).

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Which is blood magic.

Creation magic, if you hate that you need to hate the Titans too.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Post-deed whitewashing.

Still canon according to the writing team. Suck on that.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Source?

Have you ever entererd that scene about the two elves that get brainwashed in Silvermoon? They literally tried to convince the other blood elves that they need to return to the alliance.

@Shadowtwili-argent-dawn

Not true, its different but just as dangerous and corruptive.

Yes true. Without alliance plot armor the Void Elves would be cooked. Warlocks and DHs however show no signs of going crazy as far as I am concerned.

[Zâsh-argent-dawn]

Horde invaded Azeroth, Horde destroyed Gilneas and Teldrasil, I think horde leaders have more blood on their hands than Alliance that is not saint by the way.

[Erevien-die-aldor (Erevien)]

IDC what you say lol.