Make a reverse convert for emblems

Basically making your old emblems like Heroism or Valor to be converted step by step into Triumph or Frost at the end.

For example:

2 Emblems of Heroism = 1 Emblem of Valor
3 Emblems of Valor = 1 Emblem of Conquest
4 Emblems of Conquest = 1 Emblem of Triumph
5 Emblem of Triumph = 1 Emblem of Frost

Not necessary that convert ratio example I gave. My point is, this will make people clear old raids for a better reason and for people that still like to do old raids for fun.

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I see that someone havent done any older raids in a while, naxx dosnt drop valor anymore just so you know

Doesn’t matter. They can still implement it. This will just increase weekly gain of Emblem of Frost.

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We already are going to get to many frosts as it is with us getting extras from the daily heroic as long as you do it not on normal heroic, we dont need to rush things even more than they already get rushed

That’s because of the design choices they made during Phase 1. I never liked this catch-up system with Alpha and Beta dungeons in the first place because you are still depending on RNG drops. And now they prove my point by adding 252 items to the vendor.

How exactly is getting your T10 a bit faster hurting the game? In the end, people will hit a wall where they cannot kill a boss because of players, not gear (and that will happen in 2 months or less). People will still wipe on 25m Yogg1-0, Freya HM, or Mimiron HM with ICC gear, unless they get carried.

Like I said, this will make people clear old raids for better reason. It’s not like Im asking to nerf Proffesor in ICC 25m Heroic so everyone can kill it. So, if you don’t have a REAL good reason why they shouldn’t implement this, don’t bother replying.

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I could see 10:1 for each upgrade step being ok. Specifically because of that, if we ever get it, we will get 1:1 upgrades.

Because we already will get gear a bit to quickly, there is no need to have more of a reason than that for why you shouldnt be able to upgrade emblems to frost emblems, if it was upgrading old once up to triumph and only that then it wouldnt be a problem.

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You already said that. I already addressed to your “gear to rushed” argument and told you why is not a big deal.

You like to repeat yourself like an autistic parrot?

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You actually didnt address it at all, you just basically said it wont hurt the game to have people get their gear quicker, and I dont happen to agree with you, I think that forcing people to continue to do old raids who have nothing to gain from it just so they can keep up with others is a horrible idea.
Not because having drops that are still good in a old raid is bad but because T10 is such a big upgrade for a lot of classes that people would have to do every old raid until they have their 4 set bonus just to keep up with everyone else.

Dont be silly unlike me parrots cant have autism by definition. But you found 1 out of 3 of my official diagnosises there.
I give that insult a 3/10 it gets a higher mark than most people get for using a neurodevelopmental problem as one because it was fairly imaginative to use parrot in there.

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So, this is your other reason. You think people will be sad if they are forced to do old raid content. You are just saying random nonsense at this point. You have nothing to say anymore. But it funny to see you keep trying.

Never said they would be sad, I said it was a horrible idea, and you have said that just because there are catch up mechanics that you personally dont like its not a big deal that people get gear from the latest raid faster.
My reasoning is that the more you make people do content they dont want to do (if they really wanted to run Naxx and the dragons they would ether on a fresh/semi fresh alt or on their main just to do it and as they have already changed it so that all the old bosses drop emblems from the last phases raid) the more people dont like it. Its clear that most people dont want to continue to run those raids (and we will also get the weekly quest to kill a old raid boss each week that give emblems of frost).

Funny how you claim its my “other reason” when it was just me clearing up my reason for you, the one you still didnt address. While I think that my points have been rather clear about why I think its a bad idea your reasoning have been all other than clear, you “never liked this catch-up system with Alpha and Beta dungeons in the first place because you are still depending on RNG drops.” And still you want to make it so that people dont just catch up but get what will be current gear from running old content. And what you said right after makes it sound like you want all gear to be on a vendor so that RNG gets eliminated completely, are you sure that you are not looking for another game really?

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While the idea is good, I don’t think it’s a good idea for the last phase. Just leave it how it is and mess around with Cata.

That’s just you blindly assume that. It funny how you mention that now. Interesting.
“all gear to be on a vendor” … How stupid someone can be to think that.

You’re the last person to lecture me about not addressing something.

Again, you blindly assume. I never mention getting gear from a raid faster. I just gave an example why it no big deal.

It optional, no one is forced. Only you feel “forced” by it.

It seems you have personal reason why should not implemented.

Seeing as you said

As a follow up to saying you dont like RNG drops, it follows logicaly that you think thats a good thing or atleast that having things on a vendor is somehow better than having them be RNG drops.

But unlike you I have not said I have addressed your points while you said

While just saying

Not addressing my point at all about it being bad to rush people more.

The entire point of being able to get up to emblems of frost is clearly so you can get gear on the level ICC loot (including T10 and thats a big deal just from its set bonuses), there is no other point in being able to trade emblems up to frost than to be able to use them for gear.

You clearly dont understand the social pressure of being making sure you dont hold your guild or raid back. And sure no one is literally being forced but people would feel forced just so they dont hold others back. If a “autistic parrot” can understand that I really wonder what type of people cant see that.

And you seem to have a personal reason why you want it.

There it is. That’s the true reason why you don’t want it. You should have said that from the start. That’s just sweaty player mentality.

I rest my case. Now I know where you come from.

So you want to do easier stuff to get the best stuff? I don’t think so.

Its sweaty to not want to be pressured into doing something you dont find that fun because there is no challenge in it just so you can get a bit more out of your character a bit faster? A sweaty player would really welcome something like that because then they could just get their full T10 on day 1 of the raid and not have to worry about that, their guild could have enough saronite for everyone to have 2 Smorn on day 1 aswell for the sweaty players that would be a dream come true, being close to at max power without having to put in any extra work so they can push those numbers higher.

Edit: or are you referring to my personal hygiene? Remember im a autistic parrot

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Who said getting T10 in one day? Did you took my ratio seriously? They can just calculate to get only +10 extra Emblems of Frost (or less) per week if they want. You just blindly assume again.

lol :slightly_smiling_face:

The only problem I see with that idea is that there are people who have hundreds if not a few thousand of the old emblems already (on this char I had over 300 valor at one point for example) and those people would be able to basically get full T10 on day 1 (and they wouldnt even feel the pressure tbh so good for them).
If they would at the same time do something like converting all the old emblems into gold then I could see your idea work out though as the preasure while still being there would not be even higher thanks to some insane person who have all the emblems in the world just getting their T10 on day 1

Agree on that. I have only 700 emblems in total, Conquest+Triumph. I’m curious how many players have accumulated emblems since Phase1. I doubt people from top guilds accumulated emblems and not spend them all on epic gems mats, or turn it into gold. Or just normal players turning into gold for GDKP.

What Blizzard can do is get rid of them when ICC hits if to many players have 1k+ emblems. And of course warn people, so they can spent them all.