Right now the only viable legslot rune for ret paladins is exorcist and that’s a real shame being a support class by nature. Id like to be able to use divine sacrifice or avengers shield as an option as well, but we’re forced to pick exorcist to even do proper damage
It’s time to buff up paladins a bit to match their counterpart shamans in terms of balance in both pve and pvp
Paladins are too oppressive in PVP as it is. You don’t see it because you never have to face them. Furthermore there’s nothing preventing you from picking up a utility rune instead, only your desire to score kill instead of support the team. You can’t have the best damage, the best survivability and the best utility of all classes at the same time. There has to be some compromise. As the survivability is baseline, the compromise has to be made elsewhere.
Yeah op forgot that this is a shaman exclusive feature
My main is horde rogue, I face them all the time and no, they’re not oppressive at all. You’re lying saying paladin has the best of everything, that’s simply not true at all. Shaman is the only class close to having it all. Also ret paladin means offensive dmg dealer and without the rune exorcist they are simply not able to pressure in both pvp and pve. And having a choice of runes is what makes the game better
Right now their dmg is weak in pve and no where near the power of a shaman in raids. So a buff is needed to match them
Paladins are just so crinchy honestly. No matter how bad they are or how hard you outplay them they just bubble and smash you anyway. Open world it’s even worse, you beat them once they bubble you beat them twice they LOH
That increased autoswing timer means nothing when you can litterly press a button every GCD that does insane dmg.
And now they have the crinchy hammer execute from million miles
Just sad tbh
With a powerful ability like bubble it would only make sense if it was a 15min+ CD
I’m not saying they do, I’m saying that’s what you’re asking for.
Oh, do shamans have stuns? Can they become completely immune to damage?
You can play a more supportive role, but you exclusively chose to play offensively. That is a choice you make, because you want to score kills, you’re not interested in supporting the team.
They are middle of the pack. And again: some form of compromise must be made, and since you can’t get rid of the baseline survivability that compromise must be made with damage. What you’re asking for is akin to giving shamans bubble and stuns.
And let’s not forget that ele shaman is performing MUCH worse compared to ret than ret is to enhancement. So if we’re talking about balance, surely ele shamans must have a massive damage buff.
I did notice something just now, the further you go down in the percentiles on WCL, the further down ret is. So if you think ret is weak it can only be because you are performing poorly. Good rets perform well.
All your fantasies are far from reality.
Apparently you can, you just have to roll a Shaman.
Thanks for admitting you’re clueless and just a troll. Imagine thinking paladins will have it all with just a bit more of support being actually a weak melee class in comperison to shamans lmao
Shamans have decoy, free instant heals/dmg (lol at 2.5 sec holy light which costs tons of mana. there is a reason why holy palas are non existent), shamanistic rage, able to swap to shield with WoE and become super tanky to both physical and magical dmg, THE INSANE PURGE (this one ability already makes it better than paladins) Good ranged interupts, grounding totem, slows, tremor totem without actually sacrificing dmg, totems for better group buffs. You are a either a delusional player or simply a troll or a bad shaman if you think ret paladins are better than enh, not even mentioning ele shamans which are super bursty ranged and is obviously broken in group pvp with their insane burst dmg, which needs to be toned down so their sustain can get buffed
you lack the knowledge to understand that shamans can both do dmg AND good support without sacrificing one or another while paladins do have to with a really bad mana pool
Anything that performs good is gonna do ok, I did 97 parsing last phase on rogue while it was one of the weakest and could top the meters, so thats not an argument, you check the average of a spec and from there you either buff or nerf it. You must be either a forum troll or just simply delusional
This is such a ridiculous claim. Rets aren’t even that far behind enha. It’s completely delusional to call them weak. The numbers are all on WCL.
Paladins have freedom. They can become completely immune to damage. They can bubble others. They bring buffs. They have stuns. You’re either delusional or simply full of it if you think paladins are bad. And paladins have insane burst potential as well, you can’t deny it. If you think ele shaman’s burst needs to be toned down for the sake of balance, then paladin’s must as well if what you’re suggesting should happen.
I see you did not understand what I was saying, so let’s try again and I’ll try to make it more clear for you. Top performing ret players are performing better relative to other classes than poorly performing ret players are. Good ret = better compared to other class. Bad ret = worse compared to other class.
Their BiS is from gnomeregan and will remain so. Paladins can only fall down from this point out while Shamans gain more.
Ofcourse, simple Shaman brain doesn’t understand that.
Make Chaos bolt, haunt, incinerate, demonic grace, master channeler, demonic tactics baseline too pls
Oh and shadowflame
Oh and demonic knowledge
and and lake of fire maybe why not its a dead rune anyway
and give me exoricsm too while we’re at it
a paladin without runes has no normal attacking abilities, all you do is hit with a auto-attack.
I can make that argument as well with firestone spec
You are quite the arrogant fellow. Perhaps you should stay in threads where you actually have expertise on, I know that you won’t need to comment some time soon, but perhaps you could self reflect on that.
“Seethe and cope”
Running out of troll flags here.