But who are you to tell anyone what gear is fine ? see this is the massive problem both sides bicker there just is no need for it focus on your own game .
Sure let your voice be heard towards BLIZZARD but dont tell your other players what they can and can not wear/deserve .
"Dont tell your other players what they can and can not wear/deserve" so you're saying that a person that puts 0 effort into game, slacks off in any aspect, deserves same gear as people who put effort into the game? This is an rpg, not a mobile game where everyone is a winner, you get as much as you earn, that's how rpgs work.
Where is this crystal ball of yours where it shows that people put zero effort into the game ?
Perhaps you should put more effort into doing EZ stuff and hard stuff to increase your titan forge chance, you no effort slacking reprobate.
and oh if you havent got the time for it, then thats your problem you lazy wow slacker., and therefore you do not deserve high I level titanforge with slots.
It is good that total BIS is gone, it encourages you to keep playing. You folks are simply shouting over absolutely nothing. As said before, just 1 or 2 high titanforges is not going to magically propel a lowbie into higher content. This is were the completely delusion lies.
Also for the fact that a mythic raider will have a much easier time of getting titanforges, due to only needing few rolls of luck. Unlike what a lowbie have to win a huge lottery for.
For PvP i want currency and vendors. It worked and removing it was just stupid. I want 3 vendors: Nr 1: Honor - Get decent gear. Nr 2: Conquest - Good gear, that takes a little longer to get. nr 3: Elite conquest, which requires around 2k rating.
Maybe even add a fourth vendor or just give a transmog set for the few people who get gladiator each season.
um... im pretty sure the problem is that the gear matters too much... not the other way around or you wouldnt be complaining about this
Gear matter of course, but even how you get gear matters. If I’m gonna keep running in one day one dungeon 5 times and hope for same item that I wear just higher ilvl !@#$ this game . Instead of hopping to get one piece of gear in raid once a week, and feel that pregression . With all these upgrades and mythic + gear raids is useles . People without guild and viable classes run together with rio mythic + , some guilds are running mythic raids . Now most people defend mythic plus because it’s easier to find 4 people and I bet it’s harder on 10+ and more but , item progressions is killing game . Run mythic + and hope for upgrade . I didn’t like that at begin I don’t like it either . I’m playing mythic plus because of the gear but , it was awesome to see someone wearing full raid gear at mythic or HC .
um... im pretty sure the problem is that the gear matters too much... not the other way around or you wouldnt be complaining about this
Gear matter of course, but even how you get gear matters. If I’m gonna keep running in one day one dungeon 5 times and hope for same item that I wear just higher ilvl !@#$ this game . Instead of hopping to get one piece of gear in raid once a week, and feel that pregression . With all these upgrades and mythic + gear raids is useles . People without guild and viable classes run together with rio mythic + , some guilds are running mythic raids . Now most people defend mythic plus because it’s easier to find 4 people and I bet it’s harder on 10+ and more but , item progressions is killing game . Run mythic + and hope for upgrade . I didn’t like that at begin I don’t like it either . I’m playing mythic plus because of the gear but , it was awesome to see someone wearing full raid gear at mythic or HC .
And I feel the progression every time I get a new piece of gear which is either better I level - or a better stat - or a better proc or a lower I level with preferred stats.
and if i played more id feel the progression more, id also be able to feel the progression more in all the content i do .
I’m playing mythic plus because of the gear but , it was awesome to see someone wearing full raid gear at mythic or HC .
That's an argument towards tier sets rather than the WF/TF debate to be honest and I kinda agree. The list of completing and acquiring unique bonuses that are both class and raid specific gave a sense of both personal and teaming progress.
With Azerite traits there are no class unique traits hidden behind the raids. And even if they were, they don't stand out as much as a 8/8 set bonus.
But, once again, that's completely out of the discussion over WF/TF.
It is good that total BIS is gone, it encourages you to keep playing. You folks are simply shouting over absolutely nothing. As said before, just 1 or 2 high titanforges is not going to magically propel a lowbie into higher content. This is were the completely delusion lies.
Also for the fact that a mythic raider will have a much easier time of getting titanforges, due to only needing few rolls of luck. Unlike what a lowbie have to win a huge lottery for.
That is not how it worked it was very difficult to get your full BiS and it took a long time but it was a static goal you could work towards now there is nothing it makes alot of people who have the same mindset not want to even play.
So it does not encourage me to keep playing it makes me want to stop....
It is good that total BIS is gone, it encourages you to keep playing. You folks are simply shouting over absolutely nothing. As said before, just 1 or 2 high titanforges is not going to magically propel a lowbie into higher content. This is were the completely delusion lies.
Also for the fact that a mythic raider will have a much easier time of getting titanforges, due to only needing few rolls of luck. Unlike what a lowbie have to win a huge lottery for.
That is not how it worked it was very difficult to get your full BiS and it took a long time but it was a static goal you could work towards now there is nothing it makes alot of people who have the same mindset not want to even play.
So it does not encourage me to keep playing it makes me want to stop....
Go raid mythic and get your realistic best in slot.
That is not how it worked it was very difficult to get your full BiS and it took a long time but it was a static goal you could work towards now there is nothing it makes alot of people who have the same mindset not want to even play.
So it does not encourage me to keep playing it makes me want to stop....
Go raid mythic and get your realistic best in slot.
As I have said in other posts I am a casual player currently(only a few hours a week) so the BiS for the content I would do would be HC, so it should be 370 but it is not it is 395 so I would never be able to get that with my limited time. I used to be able to do this but cannot anymore.
You can tell me to not care that the item can upgrade and just be happy with the base item but that is not how it works for me, so I do not feel motivated to do the higher content and rather just farm mounts and Tmog untill my game time runs out.
But who are you to tell anyone what gear is fine ? see this is the massive problem both sides bicker there just is no need for it focus on your own game .
Sure let your voice be heard towards BLIZZARD but dont tell your other players what they can and can not wear/deserve .
"Dont tell your other players what they can and can not wear/deserve" so you're saying that a person that puts 0 effort into game, slacks off in any aspect, deserves same gear as people who put effort into the game? This is an rpg, not a mobile game where everyone is a winner, you get as much as you earn, that's how rpgs work.
But you have done nothing of note yourself so your the last one to tell anyone what to do tbh .
No mythic kills no curves no cutting edge no nothing you talk the talk but you dont walk the walk .
ITS A BONUS YOU DONT NEED IT IT WONT MATTER UNLESS YOURE IN TOP1% Guilds.
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Arguably it matters even less in the 1%, since they understand that pushing as soon as possible limits their possible gear and thus knowing your class inside and out is more important.
If it mattered in the 1%, top guilds would ask for your loot history in order to measure your overall luck.
ITS A BONUS YOU DONT NEED IT IT WONT MATTER UNLESS YOURE IN TOP1% Guilds.
Arguably it matters even less in the 1%, since they understand that pushing as soon as possible limits their possible gear and thus knowing your class inside and out is more important.
If it mattered in the 1%, top guilds would ask for your loot history in order to measure your overall luck.
even then...so why do these ''raiders'' qq all the time..jesus
Will only resub when WF/TF is gone or probably next expansion.
Same, plus when class design improves, cuz it's horrible atm. If Blizzard are happy taking money from me for 2 months instead of 2 years it's their problem really.
Arguably it matters even less in the 1%, since they understand that pushing as soon as possible limits their possible gear and thus knowing your class inside and out is more important.
If it mattered in the 1%, top guilds would ask for your loot history in order to measure your overall luck.
even then...so why do these ''raiders'' qq all the time..jesus
They probably moved here from LoL judging by the comments and "insults" they are throwing around and measuring their epeen by some high score number.
Raiding, mythic+ and pvp requires gear to progress, if you don't do any, why should you progress in gear? There's no reason to, you can do just fine with 350 gear.
Why do pet battlers level their pets? To progress in their particular choice of content. Why do 'normal' raiders need to raid normal? To progress in their particular choice of content. I agree that upgrades shouldn't be given anywhere near as freely as they are but making raiding, mythic+ or pvp your particular choice of content does not make you any more special than pet battlers, farmers, lfr'ers or transmog hunters.
Go raid mythic and get your realistic best in slot.
As I have said in other posts I am a casual player currently(only a few hours a week) so the BiS for the content I would do would be HC, so it should be 370 but it is not it is 395 so I would never be able to get that with my limited time. I used to be able to do this but cannot anymore.
You can tell me to not care that the item can upgrade and just be happy with the base item but that is not how it works for me, so I do not feel motivated to do the higher content and rather just farm mounts and Tmog untill my game time runs out.
Will resub when WF/TF is gone or next expac.
wf and tf will never leave since there is absolute 0 reason for it to leave.
You yourself said you play the game for BIS , but also don't even have time to even join a BIS raiding guild..... if forging didn't exist , you still wouldn't be getting BIS.
"Dont tell your other players what they can and can not wear/deserve" so you're saying that a person that puts 0 effort into game, slacks off in any aspect, deserves same gear as people who put effort into the game? This is an rpg, not a mobile game where everyone is a winner, you get as much as you earn, that's how rpgs work.
Where is this crystal ball of yours where it shows that people put zero effort into the game ?
Perhaps you should put more effort into doing EZ stuff and hard stuff to increase your titan forge chance, you no effort slacking reprobate.
and oh if you havent got the time for it, then thats your problem you lazy wow slacker., and therefore you do not deserve high I level titanforge with slots.
I'm not surprised you try so hard to defend titanforging, seeing as more than half your mythic 2 runs are untimed, can't even finish the very lowest of content eh? "Worldsbest" oh please.