Logging at level 25 is stupid make it so you can opt out per character basis in the settings so i can just remove my character from being combat logged. I know Warcraft logs has a feature that lets you hide a character but it doesn’t help.
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Does it matter if you aren’t joining groups that inspects logs?
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It does matter, people will inspect more and more the best thing to do is to make it so i can opt out, plus from what i saw i’ve been logged but i don’t remember anyone saying they were logging its dumb that you can’t give consent to being logged. In this instance i didn’t have a world buff or decent gear and ofc i got low numbers its just dumb…
No logs are worse than bad logs. Bad logs at the very least show you’ve completed the raid. As with most issues related to raiding the best solution is to join a guild. You don’t have to deal with the log Andys, the GS Andys and other types of Andys that plague the pug scene.
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Yeah its what i did but now they are taking a break and i have to deal with pugs because im addicted… anyways i just hid my character so w/e
So thankful I’m playing on Chaos Bolt and not these bs realms, raid is completable with like 5 people, what are we logging for?
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Because ill rather take someone that has good logs instead of someone who has average logs 17 and is doing 21dps average per boss. Logs are great thing for easily separating good players from bad ones
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I will never refer to GS or Logs, I can see the use of GS as a raidleader dropping some of the effort in checking that the players have made an effort to “qualify” for the “endgame” content.
Gearscore and Logs serves a purpose.
Gearscore = Eases the effort of the one organizing the raid not having to inspect and make judgements on gear optimization, fine.
Logs = Can qualify or disqualify players depending on if they are Great, Good, Bad or Terrible.
The TRUE toxicity of BFD recruiting comes from the 7/7 experience demand.
In order to enjoy the “endgame” not only do you have to put in significant time and effort, but alot of groups actually require you to have 7/7 experience before giving you a shot at the content.
Is anyone shocked by the fact that when blizzard released stats like a week ago, that only 1.9% of players had cleared BFD? That is because most raidleaders could be referred to as GATEKEEPERS.
Note that I said “most” and not all, I entered my first BFD on my hunter alt (now main?), this last reset, without lying about my experience (which was 5/7 as a ROGUE TANK).
It took me about 4 days (due to nightshift this last week) to find a raidleader willing to bring me along.
He had requirements, yes. But he had reasonable requirements and that makes all the difference in this toxic festering pool that is called LFG.
I was super lucky and got 2 pieces of loot from this first clear, the second of which was the trinket from last boss, so I won’t have any issue showing proof of my experience IF I am demanded of it. I won’t advertise myself as 7/7 but if asked the question I will just honestly answer it as I had done until that raid.
The feeling of astonishment of the supermajority of elitist raidleaders excluding me because of a difference in TWO boss kills was about to turn into despair, when a kind raidleader did not ask for: GEARSCORE, LOGS or 7/7 experience, he just asked if I had decent gear and worldbuffs/consumes and that I do decent dps and don’t die to stupid stuff, which is the very least a raidleader should or could ask for.
What we need are more conscionable raidleaders like that and less elitists who wants people to be able to solo the entire thing.
I guess raidleaders nowadays are trying to sift through the aspiring raiders and getting that top 0.1% of players and consider themselves done with the raidstruggles after that, and I guess it works like that, but you are not helping the community to get better or bring other players up to your level.
It must have taken some severe raidtrauma, something akin to a villain originstory to make all raidleaders this demanding.
This became a rant because of my pent up stress due to the 7/7 EXP demand and with this post I hope I can just release it and never think of it again.
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Well if youre not 7/7 and nobody is inviting you to raid you can always make your own raid and make rules in that raid as you wish, you can invite gray geared people if you like, but dont tell other raid leaders how they should organise their groups
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I’ll just add that I was pre-bis with exception of the humbert helm, feet of the lynx and mantle of thieving, like I said, not against requirements but you relegating my post to “gray raiders” is missing the point entirely. 
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No im not missing your point, im not saying you were gray geared, i just said when you make your own raid group you can invite whoever you want in you raid.
I invited 147gs boomkin in raid yesterday that had 1k mana pool, he was in full +arcane spell power gear and he was doing 30dps at bosses, he was useless but it was my decision to invite him.
So why do you feel the need to talk about people wanting 7/7 experience? Its their raid group and their time, and if you dont like it join other or make your own
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Like I said I don’t know my gearscore, a fair gearscore or high gearscore…
Having a high gearscore doesnt mean you are a better candidate than someone of low gearscore.
Some classes has alot of advantages right now, physical dps for example are just breezing through content due to their scaling at low levels being massively higher than casters.
Some classes require more skill to play at a competent level.
Some SPECS of said classes demands even more to be competitive.
Some specs require alot of knowledge on which runes to use and what rotation to follow.
And some SPECS will ALWAYS be underperforming, even when played masterfully, until they recieve aid from balancing.
For example I have not yet seen a good balance druid in raid, but my RL friend is raiding as resto atm, but outside of raid he is playing balance and he rips targets apart.
I am talking about 7/7 exp because it was keeping me from doing the raid for a long time. When I get in there I was top dps on half the fights and top 3 on most, and I suspect alot of other players are in the same situation.
But you do you, keep asking for 7/7 exp.
Never said anything about what people CAN or CANT do, I expressed my opinion towards what people SHOULD and SHOUDLNT do.
Merry Christmas.
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Actually in most cases it does mean youre a better candidate, even if you were a worse player. Warrior 330gs does more dmg with autoattacks than warrior with 180gs that is trying hard.
Im also not requiering 7/7 for my raids, so how did not having exp hold you from doing raid? You could of made your own raid, takes few mins to fill raid specially when you have no reqs for people
Also if you had 2 warriors, 1 is 200gs with 0 exp and the other one is bis geared, which one would you take?
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You keep saying “no requirements” I never said that, I even defended the use of logs and gearscore as a useful tool. I put high requirements on myself, but I don’t require of myself to have solo’d the content 7/7 before I join a raid, as did 95% of the raidleaders as they stopped responding when I told them straight up that I had 5/7.
I expressed the opinion that requiring 7/7 to repeat content is insane.
I also never said that a professional can overcome any gear difference, just that a good player can outperform his gear just as a good gear player can underperform.
Gearscore: Again, I don’t know what is prebis gearscore, bis gearscore or required gearscore, I AM NOT USING THAT ADDON. YOU DO YOU.
Why are you trying to pose a pathetic and rhetorical hypothetical in some kind of “gotcha” setup?
I also said that everyone can have 8(EIGHT SARCASM)/7 exp requirements for their raids if they want to, but they are toxic pieces of * and that is my view on it, considering there is not a single difficult mechanic, the hardest one being a dps check on Kelris.
The 7/7 requirement is lazy and detrimental to the community.
#YouCantChangeMyMind
I also do not understand why you are standing up for elitism on a forum, I don’t know you, I never spoke to you. You couldn’t accept my point of view based on my experiences?
You could have deleted ALL of your messages and provided the tip “lead your own raids” and be just as contributing to this thread as you have been, thus far.
Again: Merry Christmas.
Non issue. Besides, opting out is the same thing as having bad logs since if you get declined based on your logs then having no logs wont make you get invited. Silly thread.
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Then the way to resolve this issue is for blizzard to outright ban logs at least for low levels at least.
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Nop, we want logs to differentiate humans and dogs
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What is the diffference between logging in current raiding tier or logging at endgame?
Correct. There is no difference. You don’t want logging coz you are bad
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There is this naive hope that it leads to a discussion and some people realize that it’s actually not a good thing. It’s like being an SJW, really.
This case, mirrors very well. The rich get richer, the poor are left behind. Instead of cash, we’re talking gear.
Example… I was dabbling with the idea of playing SoD, but the realms were always locked or full. Also working, so can’t just play 2am-10am or something. What would be my experience if I started now? (I won’t.)
Not everyone is cut out for it. Especially for the part of keeping it together when it’s 3% slower than ideal and people start leaving, “you should have checked GS, noob lead, ignored”. You know, the type of people who leave LFR because it turns out too hard.
“Especially for the part of keeping it together when it’s 3% slower than ideal and people start leaving”
Yeah that is a big load of BS. Nobody leaves coz you are 3% slower unless u are an absolute dog. What is ur main. lets see them logs. I can instantly tell you if you are a good player or not
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