Sicne it happened then, happnens now, and will happen again, proves my point
You can complain as much as you want, but lore will never comes before profit, and cool mogs and mounts keep the people subbed - so it seems, since if it wasn’t a case, these things would have died when your and the others complained
But remained and - from your point of view - got worse
Right. That is my point! That’s exactly what I wrote in fancier words and with fancy pictures in my initial post. That is why I complain! What point are you even trying to make here?! It sounds more like you’re just summarizing my point of complaint!
Your point seems to be to say that you just shrug your shoulders and carry on.
Point noted.
But I don’t care. What you choose to do has nothing to do with me or how I choose to provide my feedback to Blizzard about their game design decisions.
May I suggest - and don’t get me wrong, by all means you have the raight to post it on the forum - If you want to achieve anything do it on a platform Blizzard actually read or even know it exist? Wrote a ticket, wrote them a etter and adress it to the lead designer, etc.
Because frankly, while your points are valid from a certain point of view, the thread will be up, what? Two days top? A week? Then will sunk to the bottom of the forum like the other threads, be forgotten, and will nothing change
Kentarro, I don’t tell you how you should be a customer, and I don’t think it’s for you to tell me how I should be a customer either.
If your approach is to reason with yourself about the worthwhileness and probability of Blizzard listening to something you say on the forum versus other venues, then more power to you. You do you.
I choose to express my feedback here on the forum and then Blizzard can either listen to it or they can choose not to. That’s entirely up to them. But at least I will have it on record that I have told them what I think.
And ultimately I believe that Blizzard have an interest in hearing what players like about their game, and also what they don’t like. So I tell them what I like, and in this case I also tell them what I don’t like.
I made a suggestion, a friendly advice
It is up to you if you take it or not
I don’t have any problem with it, as I said, it was a suggestion
I do think how ever, you are naive believing you will achieve anything on the EU forum, but that is just my personal opinion I shared with you
Initially your point came off more as a rebuttal. But that’s water under the bridge. I thank you for your friendly suggestion and I’ll make sure to take it into future consideration.
I have never been naive about the weight of influence I have on WoW through my written thoughts and opinions. I choose to express them anyway.
I agree with you OP, but Blizzard just preemptively avoided the endless whine that would follow and the “booohooo I want my Vulpera to be a Warden booohooo”.
At leats someone wants to be a warden, they basically died out, anyone who will follow the teachings and wear that ugly uniform is a boon to the order
Lorewise could be fitting too; rebuild, but since the Kaldorei joined the Azeroth’s most endangered species list" like the Blood Elves and the Tauren and Darkspear and Forsaken and Orcs and… so a lots of species, it makes sense, to rebuild, they (had/have to/need to) to) lift the racial restriction, so anyone could be a Warden who is willing to learn and follow their teachings
Then when the Kalodrei repopulated and we have a nice number of young Kaldorei girls who wants to be Wardens when grow up, could teach them , but untill then the Order and its rituals, teachings, methods, fighting style wont die out and be preserved not only on scrolls.
Don’t be so picky Luke, rebuild the Jedi Order-style
Well, I think it’s great when Blizzard gives out cool and epic things to players through their storytelling.
I think it was awesome to play a Paladin in Legion and first see Tirion Fordring get burned alive by a giant demon’s felfire, and then afterward find him dying, retrieve The Ashbringer, and have him pass it on to you before he dies.
That’s a cool quest and a fantastic Warcraft story in and of itself, and a great experience if you’re playing a Paladin.
And it’s also a great mechanism by which Blizzard can give these cool and iconic things to players, because the possession becomes rooted in lore and story.
But when you can just pick up Tyrande’s weapons on the Trading Post, or the official uniform of the Night Elf Wardens through an achievement for logging in, then there is no connection between the things you’re getting and what those things represent from a lore and story perspective.
I think that’s doing a great disservice to WoW as a story-driven game experience in favor of having WoW be a business-driven product experience.
So had Blizzard given out these things through stories and quests that enriched the game experience, then I would not have complained. But they give them out as incentives to subscribe to the product, and I will complain about that.
Sincerely… i would agree… but now the lore is totally broken.
Theres no sense anymore… it would be a little weird seein taurens with this suit… but after tauren rogues … sky is the limit.
Its a bit jito chose the dark side (jito im ofc jokin)
i rather want a proper night elven sentinel tmog than a warden one.
And tbh having the warden avaible at this point to more races makes sense. Because of you stick it to pure lore it would literally be only avaible to female night elven rogues. Thats it, Female night elven rogues. Because thats what the wardens and sentinels were. Female night elves
The warden tmog would just be far too restricted, even compared to a class locked weapon like the cashbringer
I remember former Vice President of Game Design and former Lead Designer on World of Warcraft and all-around Blizzard guru Rob Pardo explained the need to compromise on story and lore in favor of Blizzard’s Gameplay First value.
And the example he used was that when making World of Warcraft, Chris Metzen insisted on the Druid class only being available to Male Night Elves, because that was how he had written the lore and the story of the Night Elf society. But Metzen eventually ended up compromising, because the ultimatum was that either more races and genders get to be Druids or Druids don’t get to be a playable class in World of Warcraft at all.
So Blizzard makes compromises on lore and story in favor of gameplay, and that’s fair. Blizzard are Gameplay First.
But there’s a difference between making compromises on story and lore and then dismissing them entirely.
I think it’s fair to argue that if you were to make the Warden set available, then make it available to Night Elves. You compromise by allowing all genders and classes to have it, but you preserve some of the lore and story by keeping it reserved to Night Elves.
That would be classic Blizzard game design and totally in-line with how WoW was designed for many years. Compromises between story, lore, and gameplay concerns.
But with the Trading Post and the achievement for logging in for 12 months, it feels more like Blizzard are rejecting story and lore concerns entirely in favor of handing everything out to everyone, because that maximizes the player engagement and retention (as opposed to something being limiting to less than everyone for lore and story concerns). That’s not even a case of dismissing lore and story in favor of gameplay concerns, but rather a case of dismissing it in favor of business concerns and a desire to maximize profits wherever possible.
As a gamer, I don’t approve of that.
Why should Wardens receive a different treatment than Orcs or Trolls? The old Orgrimmar guard armor is available to all mail classes, the ZG/ZA troll armors are available to everyone, etc
Yes, and other players have shared a similar sentiment in this thread.
The game is dead anyway, who cares? Blizzard never listens, why bother? It’s already a clown show, what’s the harm in more?
Forgive me for not sharing that kind of defeatist attitude.
I will appeal to Blizzard as them being veteran game designers with integrity that have a concern for Warcraft as a game, and not just a product existing to milk its customers of money by caving in to every stupid want and desire.
That appeal may fall on deaf ears, but I will appeal nonetheless.
You could also argue that ZA and ZG troll armor was thematic to a content or a patch. Much like the Warfront Armoursets, Suitable for Orcs, Humans, Undead and Nelfs, but also thematic to the story being told at the time. (or even Army of the Light gear as someone mentioned above)
And neither are denying them their own personal Heritage items in the future.
Giving away the Iconic Warden Image to all Races, will completely deny Nightelves this part of their story which is unique to them. And they haven’t even gotten their own heritage armor yet. Not only that, it’s not even thematic to any content cycle… it means nothing.
Look at Belfs, they have their Heritage Armour and Blood Knight armor for Paladins (although a bit meh). Why don’t Nelfs get the same treatment?