Neither do I, but the comment hit a few red flags that I consider telling about the type of poster he was
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Yep that was his name! The high elf RPer!
Yes they do! Even if I wasnât an RPer Iâd want to play on a server in which I can reliably see my friends (or even just random people who play on my server) out in the world!
Hey buddy! That kind of talk is uncalled for!
You can say itâs not our problem AD has no sharding when most other servers do, but really, it is! It is the problem of all RPers who want OOCers out! Itâs not your fault, but it is your problem!
Yeah, also called Leystrider in RP I think, and a few other names that I dont remember.
The argument people make about this, and me too, that I consider valid is that itâs really not that fun to have people just gawk at you enjoying your hobby. When playing with friends too, you all end up in the same shard when in a group, so connecting with friends on other servers is not a problem at all.
I think Sharding in general, not just on AD, is complete bogus since I do get and think a part of the MMO-appeal is to see other people, but it shouldnt come at the expense of those of us who enjoy RPing on the only remaining rp server.
Itâs also worth knowing that alot of special examples on AD comes from the community specifically asking Blizz for the sake of roleplaying, not a general feature for playing.
A larger influx of OOCerâs also bring in the more unpleasant individuals like the pandaren poster and others we know, as it encourages them to come here, both intentionally and not.
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It is your problem and youâre trying to turn it into the RPers problem with some weird attempt at a linguistic trick about sharding on non RP realms
This is not a non RP realm
I second this, a lot of my RL friends play(ed) on different servers yet grouping up for content was a no effort deal
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Yeah, but as I also said though, I personally think sharding in general is bad as a whole/on all servers, and it does mess up things on ocassion when doing PvE/PvP activities for me too.
But the solution isnt to make AD suffer for it just because itâs laxer here, specifically for RP purposes.
I wholeheartedly agree! It is the server of RPers, it should be as RPers want it to be! Iâm just being goal driven! If we want to lessen the number of OOCers, we would be well served to have these issues fixed!
Iâll have you know Iâve been an RPer since early Cataclysm!
Linguistic trick? Iâm speaking in very plain English!
Duh!
Here is where I still disagree somewhat though, mainly since I think its not up to us to make sure that people donât bother us. It should be on themselves and Blizzard.
I also highly suspect a bunch of OOCers would still be here, some for nerfarios reasons, others due to lazyness or other motives. I think that the current forum approach Iâve seen in the latest threads with incomers is the best for the moment:
- Approach new people if they are interested in roleplay. If yes/curious, encourage them further to try it.
- If theyâre not, recommend servers more suitable and explain why.
Yeah, no.
Analogy time:
There is a park. The park is intended for people who want to use the utilities of the park, such as the nature walk, the bird watching huts, pavillion etc. Let us assume this is signposted clearly upon the entrance: this park is for using these things, if you wish to loiter, please use the expansive green areas outside.
There are a group of individuals who regularly come to the park to use these things. The park becomes a meeting place for these people, so itâs a relaible way to catch up.
There are other individuals who come to this park and they do not use these things. They simply loiter. Some of them actively despoil the facilities in the park, or allow their dogs to foul all over the park. âBut we need a meeting place tooâ they say âand this is the only place we can, so we have a right to be here. If you donât like it, you should campaign for us to get our own park.â
Two problems here
- There is no onus for RPers to campaign for stuff for other players simply because the other players âmakeâ a problem for them because they refuse to obey the rules of the server. The infraction is theirs, so they are in the cmap that needs to adjust behaviour, not the other way around.
- The stance completely ignores the fact hey are willfully ignoring the stated purpose of the premise. These are two seperate problems. a) sharding on other servers and b) disregard for RP rules.
The fact that people bring b) because of their own inability/reluctance to adhere to the rules of the servers does not make a) the cause of those interested in preventing b). Itâs a way of shifting the onus of repsonsibility onto RPers and ignoring the fact that the problem would be perceived to be much lesser if b) didnât happen in the first place- and nothing about having a server lacking sharding requires players to disobey the RP rules of the server that does.
If you want to take advantage of the non-sharded server that comes with an additional ruleset, obey that ruleset. Itâs quite simple. If you want a similar server without that ruleset, then campaign for it. But do not disrupt that rule for those who are happy to comply with it and then try and turn it into their problem when that doesnât have to be the case.
This is like a child throwing a tantrum in a supermarket in the hopes that theyâll eventually get their way. There are ways for the child to get their way that probably donât involve them having a tantrum, but itâs easier for them to have a tantrum to get others to take responsibility for them. This is what the âBut itâs a non-sharded server, if you want us gone, ask for an OOC non-shardâ tend to do.
The point is how about simply NOT violating the ruleset whilst you yourselves campaign for an OOC non-shard server? This would have way more integrity than trying to justify the behaviour because âwe have nowhere else to go to enjoy non-shardingâ.
I wish people would stop trying to write the problem as something RPers have to adjust to. Itâs EXCEEDINGLY SIMPLE, server says rules are in place, therefore those who donât obey those rules are the ones required to adjust their behaviour, not those who do, and they certainly shouldnât have to adjust their behaviour to tolerate or work around those breaking the rules. I donât understand what people find so hard about this.
Rationales about people working around griefers and good RP hotspots that avoid OOC trolling. This stuff shouldnât even be necessary. The responsibility is the wrong way around.
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It shouldnât be up to us, but as paying customers we have to have enough of our voices heard if we want our issues fixed! Itâs simply the way of things!
Indeed, but it would lessen their numbers!
Do you want to figure out whoâs at fault, or do you want your problem fixed! This isnât a court of law where the judge will grant you your solution if you can convince him the other party is guilty!
Your analogy was unnecessary, I already know absence of sharding still doesnât mean OOCers should come to an RP server! But the fact is, it causes it to some extent! If you want to lessen their numbers, fixing that would help!
If you wanna put on a trench coat and go inspector gadget mode on it go right ahead.
Pretty cringe that you care so much about it 
Calling people cringe while posting as a panda person on an online forum for a roleplaying video game! Are you 12 years old or just extremely insecure!
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Excuse me, but I am not a Panda IC. Iâm a human demon dark death knight.
Nowhere in my post does it state iâm trying to point blame; because I stated outright where it is -> people who are rolling on an RP server with no intention of RPing. They are in the wrong.No court of law required.
Your ânevermind that, do you want your problem fixed?â is whataboutery. It ignores the fact that the problem is being caused by other people choosing to do so consciously. Yes I want that problem fixed, of course I do. The issue is it is a result of other people choosing to behave that way. I can do X Y and Z and it may well result in nothing. Itâs not down to me to change it.
In such a situation there are two ways to move further along:
- The person changes their own behaviour
- They are compelled by external forces to do so, or leave.
Now 1) isnât a cert. But the opportunity is generally offered to most people here. If someone is OOC and appears interested/engaged, most RPers will try to âinvite them inâ as opposed to attacking them (unless the person has displayed signs theyâre griefing). Numerous threads and psots show that ADers are happy to provide guidance to others to help them change their behaviour so they play by the rules.
The issue is this doesnât always work, so we go to 2). External forces compelling them to do so.
This is where the issue lies because at current there is no compelling force. Blizzard do not aggressively enforce the RP policy which means there is no threat of compliance upon those rulebreaking; yet their rulebreaking can interfere with those who desire to play within the ruleset. Itâs a frustrating situation. RPers try to police the situation themselves but their toolkit is limited and particularly trolly OOCers know it.
So iâll say it again- the problem occurs because of something other people are choosing to do. I want that âproblemâ gone, but as it stems from choice, it is up to them to make that change or leave, not me. Iâm certainly not going to go out of my way to campaign for stuff that would benefit them and then maybe theyâll leave, when they donât even have the courtesy the respect the things I want from the game.
Just another post that expects RPers to give an arm, a leg and everything in efforts to keep the server for the intended purpose whereas the offending parties want to give nothing and expect everything, ignoring the fact theyâre the ones in the wrong and the ones who ultimatley can put a stop to the problem. Instead we have to try appeasement and hope it works? Nah.
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Personally i find it more cringe that youâre so offended about people having RP as a hobby to the point that you actvily belittle, insult and encourage people to harass and disrupt.
Who hurt you?
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So you did go get a trench coat and go inspector gadget mode, nice.
I also RP as a hobby, but I donât agree with you people. Sorry.
Youâre not the voice of other Roleplayers, and not everyone shares the same opinions as you.
From your deleted post, I dont really believe this.
I donât really care what you think, honestly
Yeah, I know. Nor is it a problem, so thatâs that.
You were trying to display the guilt clearly by drawing an analogy! Which I agree with! I donât know why youâre trying to mince words after you wrote entire paragraphs about it! Bit of a pointless thing to say!
Itâs not whataboutery! I acknowledged people should roll on an RP realm if they want to RP and nothing else! Itâs just being realistic! In life chasing a moral victory and chasing a better standard of living often donât go together!
These things are not mutually exclusive! Blizzard could lessen the incentive for OOCers to roll on AD while also adding better tools for RPers to deal with them, like a better ignore function!
I think Blizzard being more strict with griefers by banning them long term is the least likely of this, because it would lose them money! Which is why itâs the solution I deem least useful advocating!