I’m really beyond questioning what kind of substances the devs must have imbibed to come up with the BfA-SL storyline, and why specific decisions were made within it. But I would like to think we can hold them accountable for the stuff they are doing now and setting up for the future.
The fear here is i’d surmise that they’re saying they’ve cleaned themselves up, while they really haven’t. One thing likely worth taking them to task on is saying that there will be very little faction stuff, only for it to come out that there is a whole bunch of stuff around racial leaders, for some inexplicable reason despite them having no good reason(we know of) to be there.
Good good …dew it! honestly he should have died back in bfa
They only said that faction conflict wouldn’t be a plot point. They never said racial leaders wouldn’t be involved. Taking them to task for stuff they haven’t said certainly won’t make them listen to us. (Not that they do now, but we all like to pretend. 
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It certainly seems to have been his last hurrah… Though being backstabbed with a 2h-axe would have been a pretty meme-y way to go.
Imagine alliance bias not ruining the story.
I am not getting my hopes up for nothing. I doubt any alliance character is ever going to be killed. BFa was the proof for this.
I personally dislike the idea. Pass beyond the whole: Horde lost a character, so must the Alliance!
Sylvanas isn’t entirely lost, if anything she is on a shelf break, same for Anduin mind you, the high king.
And story wise…it’s…well it’s dirt. Ysera’s arc was through and done, ever since BFA story was going with the whole: “Now my daughter should take over” theme.
Same for most of the aspects, Nozdormu will be gone eventually, Kalecgos is a new gen aspect, same would be the case for Ysera’s daughter and ofc Wrathion.
Suddenly ‘killing’ off another racial leader, to bring back a character who’s arc has been through only makes it feel cheesy, and PLUS it prevents from newer characters to flourish.
To me bringing in new chracters, arcs and developments is the way to prevent future retcons. As it feels like blizz mostly do them to create new stories from old characters when they run out of content. So having some new chars/places/stories is a must.
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Typical alliance bias behavior. Everything is good for as long as only the Horde loses something.
can you please not put in the title spoilers? pls.
Blizz, just go to hell with this. Stop butchering Night elves and learn signs for writing classes.
Night elves need story, not screen time.
The endless cycle of deaths and sacrifices is just getting old at this point, and especially for NE story. If you don’t understand why NE players and players in general are tired of this, then go and touch some grass and then, look at the freaking feedback that NE players wrote to you since BFA.
Warcraft writing became as bad as writing for CW shows. A lot of drama for the sake of the drama.
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Night Elves need to stop hogging the spotlight and let the other Aliance races do something.
Agree, even despite the fact that Blizz made an atrocious job with NElfs in BFA/SL, i think it is time for them to get out of the spotlight. This is why this leak has infuriated people, not only are blizzards going to make another mess with Night Elves, but also they are going to cause another drama for NElfs. This is a worst case scenario, Blizz is going to make another story about NElfs, and they are going to cause drama, the last thing NElfs lore wise and players want.
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If shadowlands taught me one thing it is that death in wow is kind of on that same level as death in kingdom hearts with the exception of just 2 characters;
Arthas and Garrosh.
So unless they are represented as a literal mote of fading dust or shown doing some crazy anima kamikaze ability inside of the shadowlands I treat their death as a kingdom hearts death.
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Pretty much what Sylvare said.
Death in warcraft lost all meaning. You can’t have a big emotional parting moment with them since you could just pay a mage 50 gold to make you a portal to go hang with them.
Unless the sacrifice involves, vaporizing his soul and then the kyrian picking up the ashes and double vaporizing it, then finding what little remains that ended up in torghast somehow because there’s probably an elf with a bit of it somewhere. AND WE VAPORISE THAT TO!
Then we burn down some anima tree pod stuff just to be safe.
Then i’ll be sure he’s not de- OH WAIT if it’s a soul for a soul that means they totally have there soul imprint which me-
You get what i’m doing here.
Shadowlands took any and all threat of death away from warcraft. Even double death doesn’t really count, while they say death is permenent in the shadowlands, they don’t know what the hell devourers are or “What’s to come™” So That lore is about as worth while as Steve’s writing credentials
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I don’t understand the criticism at all. Or rather, I understand people disliking the idea of Malfurion dying, since people like the character and nobody wants a favourite character to die. But this doesn’t translate into criticism. Characters die all the time in fiction, death is a perfectly legitimate narrative tool, and I get being involved, but not to the point people literally can’t accept the death of fictional characters per se.
I would get the criticism were Malfurion’s death arbitrary and unsatisfactory, but we won’t know that until we see how it plays out, and even then our judgement will now be conditioned by the leak. First impressions matter, after all.
I also profoundly dislike this widespread belief that a choice of events could classify something as good or bad writing, especially before we even witnessed the story as intended by the authors. Fan expectations do not set an objective standard by which art can be measured in a quality scale from zero to ten. Both adherence and divergence from those expectations are legitimate narrative choices, and while of course people will have opinions, I also think it’s important to recognise authorship and learn to play along, without throwing a fuss everytime the narrators don’t try their hardest, forgive my latin, to tickle our nuts. That is not what narrative art is for.
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Killing off a long-running WC3 character that was criminally underutilized to bring back the dragon chick. I guess it was time for the biyearly Night Elf L.
Another banger Mr. Danuser.
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Then see it as “If what we see is what we get…”. That’s all spoiler discussion ever is. And what we see is Malfurion sacrificing himself to bring back Ysera. And while that’s not necessarily bad writing, as I said above I don’t see it being anything better in this specific case. If I have problems imagining a context in which this is a cool move that feels meaningful, and which they might actually implement, it probably isn’t one.
Let’s just say Blizzard’s writing team doesn’t get any benefit of the doubt at this point. Not after Shadowlands.
Benefit of the doubt is a very precious resource after BfA and Shadowlands, with people that actually care about the story.
And the criticism isn’t that he is gonna die, but that if they were gonna kill him, why did they have him survive Val’sharah and the War of Thorns, which severely undermined everyone else within those stories.
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Even before Danuser, Blizzard had no regrets doing this in TBC with Kael’thas, a protagonist in WC3 too… with the difference his death wasn’t a sacrifice and wasn’t heroic, and the Blood Elves didn’t get a character in return so it wasn’t a trade either like Malfurion x Ysera.
(And even if you count that the Blood Elves got the Sunwell back after the death of Kael’thas, the Sunwell is not a living character anyway (and Anveena was not made a Blood Elf girl for some weird reason, but a Human…), but even if the Sunwell improved their situation immensely when it was restored, it’s still a loss of an important character without getting another one back… Ysera isn’t strictly a Night Elf character either, but at least it’s an historical one at this point of the story, and very important for the Green Dragonflight and the world overall, Night Elf included…)
You won’t see me defending TBC lore.
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