I think the individual in-zone storytelling, in isolation is usually pretty solid. The problems arise, with the way they handle legacy characters, don’t start establishing events until after they happened, focus on pointless trivia instead of actual story beats and don’t seem to care about the basic pillars of storytelling, when the zones are actually meant to play off each other and build into an endgame.
They’ve come a long way on the systems side, but we’re yet to see the story team and namely the people in charge of it learn from any of their recent mistakes so it doesn’t turn into a complete cluster .
Get off my back Wolburf, WoW isn’t an amusement park and this doesn’t answer what I said at all.
If somebody hates a cultural product in a fundamental and irreconcilable way, their feedback does not matter, despite them being clearly convinced that their preferences somehow ascended to the hyperuranion and turned into universal values.
And in fact…
…it looks like there is something we enjoy here. And I can even agree on the general criticism. This does not mean there haven’t been well developed characters in recent times.
E.g. I really disliked the whole business with Uther’s soul split on principle, but I think in Shadowlands he was one the best characters. They did Sylvanas dirty big time, but her story in the novel is incredibly solid and, to me, even touching. The Jailer was non-existant, but Tyrande shone quite a bit.
Were I telling this story, Ysera would stay dead and I’d put Merithra in the spotlight, but I have no reason to assume this particular story beat won’t have a good development and a satisfying conclusion.
I don’t know, you don’t know, Witblom doesn’t know either. And while a negative sentiment is a legitimate thing to feel, it should at the very least be aknowledged for what it is.
It does, you just fail to get the point. Who the heck plays WoW for its genius story? The story being the restaurant. WoW being the park. Clear enough?
It is extremely clear Winkorg, and still stupid af.
Sadly I can’t post pictures yet, so plain English will have to suffice: you can ignore the story, if you don’t like it and have no hope of ever liking it.
It’s not ideal, since as I said, WoW is a single product, not an amusement park, but plenty of people managed to play for years without even knowing who Thrall is.
So yes, you can enjoy the park without crashing the restaurant screaming against the cooks and flipping tables while people are trying to eat.
I’d actually prefer a better restaurant in the park I pay for, though. But that analogy for the forum discussion certainly qualifies for your chosen label.
The novel overall was good, but there was a noticable difference,w hen it started to have to make sence out of the butchery comitted on Sylvanas during the past two xpacs.
Her story was tarnished through it’s connection to the whole Sylvanas show, where she lost out on actual character development, in favor of yet more contrivances. The idea was there, but her choices got diminished by Elune’s power suddenly faultering and then threatening to kill her, if she didn’t give it up right away.
The key to the story is urgency and stakes. They need a situation, which only Ysera can solve and they need it to be solved fast. The biggest question i’ve got so far atm is when the hell did Ysera give her life to protect Malfurion’s? He got abducted and bdsmed up among the tree’s roots, while she got sniped by Xavius…
It doesn’t have to be urgent, if Ysera is key to anything in DF, it makes sense for someone like Malfurion to give his life for hers.
I believe Malfurion is referring to the fact he succumbed to rage and went after Xavius alone. Ysera and the player rushed after him to help him out and she died as a consequence of this. It’s not unimaginable that Malfurion feels responsible.
I agree. Malfurion is both responsible yet not really responsible at the same time. He is indirectly responsible because he gave into rage and chased after Xavius. Ysera made the choice to go try save him but failed. In the end, we the players saved him after putting down Ysera. Anyone with a conscious would feel guilty. But I don’t think Ysera blames him for her death. After all she want after Xavius despite no longer having the power of a Dragon Aspect (not that it made a difference seeing as it didn’t do much against the nightmare when she was still an Aspect).
Seriously I hope this doesn’t go in the final version of DF
Tbh I agree. Not because I don’t think it can be good, but because I would very much love seeing Blizzard taking the safe route for a while. Drop the stream of problematic narrative twists, rebuild trust, focus on the world.
DF seems to be doing quite well for now, there’s no need to damage the good PR.
Even from the comments here it’s clear that a lot of players don’t trust them, and fixing this problem should be their top priority. WoW is a game of community, and even if you like where it’s going, it doesn’t feel good when all the discourse around the game is negative. Be it for right or wrong reasons.
They won’t listen.
You should know blizzard writers by now, the more you push back the harder they push forward with their stupid ideas. Blizzards story has been “Wait and see” for god knows how long and it’s ok to say ignore the story if you don’t like it. But you end up with things like shadowlands where you feel completely disconnected to anything and you’re just logging into dungeon simulator 2022 I’m from a RP realm and the consensus is pretty much. Shadowland didn’t happen put your hands over your ears and go “LALALALALALA”
Not saying you should write the lore based on the forums, god knows that would be a disaster. But since the threads using cooking analogies.
If you notice the head chef burning all the salad. Maybe you should change the chef.
Besides. We all know that there’s only a few unpaid interns that actually look at the eu forum. All the actual employees are watching the US forum, we don’t even have a council over here.
To be fair, the council has quite a few european voices in it, though. And I think the “normal” US forums don’t get any more dev attention than we do here. Interns or similar read that stuff, summarize it, pass it on to their community service bosses, where the summaries are summarized, and if the volume of similar stuff is high enough, it might get passed on to some devs at some point, or something like that… That the US forums get slightly more community service posts doesn’t really mean that the mechanism is different there.
That said… This is a place to laugh, whine or scream at the uncaring sky together about the story of WoW, and it shouldn’t be confused with actual productive input into WoW’s story.
Meh, I think even if the entire forum came together and said an idea is bad they’d still do it. Just wait till the last path of the expansion to fix it, and say they listened.
THE OL’ WOW DEVELOPMENT CYCLE!
But yer, I just gon complain about the stuff because frankly. I don’t think he’s even gonna stay dead.
Besides we all know thralls next to die.
And Alexstraza looks like sylvanas snuck in through the back door and wiped off her body paint.
I have to say, considering they were still missing the actual story directors I’d expect this expnsion to be a more or less official filler expansion. I can’t imagine they’ll let Danuser set the tone for the next years, if they aren’t promoting him to the position that’s supposed to set the tone. So I believe stuff like this might be as big as it gets…
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Who the heck plays WoW for its genius story? The story being the restaurant. WoW being the park. Clear enough?
show, where she lost out on actual character development, in favor of yet more contrivances. The idea was there, but her choices got diminished by Elune’s power suddenly faultering and then threatening to kill her, if she didn’t give it up right away.