Good thing you aint a warcraft employee
Being denied for hours in +10s because you arent fotm op dps class can lead to “slight” disgust against some things.
Oh yea, you’re being denied because of your class… not because you have 800 score and compete with people with 1.2k+ score…
Your lowest key is a +5… not in time, maybe try getting all your keys close to +10 before trying to join +10s?
And they did get the high rio because they outdps all by a lot on equal gear, while playing with one hand, talking on the phone and watching tv, because this is what blizzard wishes.
But i also tank. Some rogues are really good players and do much, much more than pure damage, they deserve both the rio score and my respect. And on the other hand the ultrabads, carried by the class.
Tell that to yourself so you don’t feel bad for underperforming…
Yes, it’s easier to get a high score if you’re FotM, but what about all those eles with 2k+ score or the resto shamans with over 2k?
All of them, be it meta or off-meta put in the time and effort to push all their dungeons, instead of complaining about not getting invited to +10s while having 800 score and +5 dungeons not in time.
Of course people will be complaining. Being invited gives you the chance to play, improve and become good. Guilds are mostly dead. I left 2, because they were just a green chat on the left. My only way to play is pugging. And it isn’t only me. Also, for the time being i personally feel ok. The rant isn’t about me at all, because when i go tank i am invited on the spot. Imbalance isn’t good in wow in general, for example i saw just ONE feral tank for the last month. Dunno what is the problem, but this doesnt seem fair or ok to me. Also, when fotm, needing lower gear to do the same as the rest do is not skill. But you know it pretty well.
Go pug all the time, you will see why this happens.
Also there is another dark side to the hard FOTMs. When people are denied the level of dungeons that are appropriate for their ilvl, what do they do - they go lower and lower. Doing a +6 or +7 just to do something means some other poor guy that wants to upgrade and play on the verge of his skill will not play. This spirals all way to the bottom.
If this doesn’t look and sound as bad i dunno what to say.
Then the problem is that gear is so easy to come by that they skip difficulty levels and only get rewards from activities above their skill level, which in fact is the reason why rio exists in the first place.
Just because you have 400+ ilvl doesn’t mean you are suited to do +10s, when i can gear my alt to 400+ in a single ID reset.
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Mojo, doesn’t matter how you twist it, big differences in class output cannot be justified. And it has nothing to do with you being very good and the others being mediocre or bad. Statistics doesnt lie in the long run.
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What do you define as “big differences”?
1%? 5%? 10%?
Pretty much every class i have played with is capable of doing 30k+ dps over the course of a run, depending on dungeon/tank/week.
Not every specc/talent combination can do that, and that is to be expected, not all speccs should be equally viable in all kinds of content, aff lock will always do good in ST or Multidot encounters while Outlaw will always do good in M+, as long as they have blade flurry.
In the context of just doing +10s, every class is usable and personal skill is more important than what class you play.
When we can boost +10s in time with 2 DPS, you can do +10s in time with 3 DPS that deal mediocre dmg.
It isnt about me to define it man. I can comment only what i did see - equally geared rogue wipes the floor with me dps wise. Not once, always. Ok, i may be ultrabad, lets assume this is the case, but other guys see the same. So, what is it - rogues always played by insanely skilled people or some kind of imbalance?
You answer me.
Fully agree on that, but most of the elitist players dont think the same way. And it shows up in many occasions. You can’t blame people that they want the easiest runs possible.
Equally geared in terms of ilvl? in terms of ilvl and azerite traits? in terms of AoE or ST?
Yes, outlaw AoE dps is slightly overtuned, but that’s pretty much the only outlier.
Furry AoE dps is capped to 5(?) targets, so if you pull more, your DPS will suffer (Or better said not rise infinitely like it does for other dps specs)
The outlaw rotation is not particularly difficult, so it’s probably a combination of all the things. You not playing to your optimum, you not having BiS gear (You’re still running around with a 370 trinket in the end), the outlaw playing his class better (Be it because they are better or have an easier rotation) and the outlaw scaling better with big pulls.
On my alts i have been to keys without any rogue on the regular, even in keys like FH where at least 1 rogue is pretty much standard.
Once you get into “higher” keys (15+) you won’t really see a group without a rogue.
I, myself, don’t even play outlaw and never had problems being at the top of the DPS charts, over the course of a whole dungeon.
That trinket gives best dps when simming it. I tend to trust the theorycrafters, it may be a mistake in this case. Have several 405 trinkets, all give a dps drop when equipped. Not big, but drop.
About the dps factors - of course it varies depending on the dungeon, fights, pulls, playstyle, affixes. What i read at least partially confirms my observations about some rogue spec doing better than the rest.
I am not questioning that it’s better than all the 400 ilvl trinkets that you have, doesn’t mean that there aren’t any 400 ilvl trinkets, that would be better. (e.g. UR trinket or WM trinket)
I was just saying, that obviously your gear can be improved, just by playing the game, not by praying for WF/TF.
You’re also still running around with 2 400 ilvl azerite pieces instead of 415 pieces, which might be a major factor to your DPS being lower than people with simmilar ilvl.
I am at 409 ilvl equipped in M+ gear, thats “just” 5 ilvls above you, yet i am pretty sure i will outdps you because my gear is pretty much fully optimized by now.
A furry with equally optimized gear and class knowledge will do similar numbers.
If you’re able to do big pulls throughout the whole dungeon yes, if you only pull 1 pack at a time, it performs equally to most other DPS specs.
Ye man, i bought the 415 chest just today. Also my ilvl is inflated by my heart of azeoth a bit, as i said i only pug and have no access to guild runs or meaningful raid runs.
That might be news to you, but elementals are meta.
Live meta is different to MDI meta
DPS Warriors and DKs will have a much harder time to get invited to 14++ keys because their damage doesnt compensate for their lack of utility
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Way to miss my point.
Yes, but not in the +10 range, as you stated, where Ichirgu is complaining about. And if a shadow/rshaman/etc. can get 2k+ score, a dps warri or dk can aswell, yes it will take longer than playing Outlaw/ProtWarri/RDruid, but it’s not impossible.
Fotm , or percieved as fotm classes distort the dungeon prefferences, this is all that need to be said here.
Sure most classes can do 30k+ overall on dungeons, for example me with my 2.1k rio warlock, so what? Equal ilvl rogue can do 36k in the same run.
What is the point to pick warlock instead of another rogue? There is none (unless you dont have druid).
At my rio you get Druids/Wariors/Rogues in the blink of an eye signing up.
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