Of course, because they didn’t go neutral.
People bringing up lore for new races like it’s gospel. Vulpera been relevant for one expansion that isn’t even done yet and I should think that they couldn’t been written differently into the lore? Any race could, even the zandalari, of course the zandalari joining the alliance would make people rise an eyebrow, the vulpera wouldn’t
That is because they are. What do high mountain tauren bring, they’re tauren. Void elves lol. Dark Iron dwarves lol. Now junker gnomes, not even real mechagnomes lol. It’s a big joke. And the fact that the community largely enjoys this means retail is what it is because people are very easily pleased here.
How dare someone have a different opinion than mine, they must be stupid!
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yah when people suggested mechagnomes in the past they were looking at theones in northrend and such , not the mechagon ones xD
The lore is not relevant to this discussion really. Obviously they’re perceived differently within the Lore. Everyone is talking about them gamewise not lorewise. even Blizz themselves treat them as a joke gamewise. My opinion was not about their lore but about their aesthetics which few people really like. And how people actually treat them (as a joke most of the time). And about them in general gamewise.
Also speaking of. They’re really not that much prevalent in the lore either. They’ve still yet to retake their own city. That was their one big moment even, aside from that they had barely any to no story development really. There are hardly any iconic Gnome npcs even, aside from Mekkatorque and that one Gnome female with her goblin husband. And prior to Legion, there were never even seen in cinematics before. And it was only Mekkatorque in both cinematics.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Gnomes. But I dislike their allied race variant.
I actually wanna know whose idea it was to give Alliance trashgnomes, it would be nice to know his/her name so we would know who is trolling us or who is that horde fanatic working inside the company.
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I mean, it makes sense? Mechagnomes share kinship with the normal Gnomes and they were prevalently featured in 8.2. There were no other races with coverage in the story that would have fit the mold of the Alliance besides maybe the Ankoan, though they are described as a “dying, soon to be extinct” race that was just in it for vengeance.
And no, an encounter lasting ten minutes with a single Sethrak did not ever make them eligible to become an AR for the Alliance.
On Mechagon they actually shared a better relationship with Gazlowe and his goblin crew than they did the Gnomes. But if they’re only added for kinship, then what’s the kinship between Vulpera and Goblins? Because it should have been Gilgoblin in that case, right?
What do you mean? There is no kinship between Vulpera and Gnomes? Vulpera join the Horde because of the Vol’dun story, and considering the Alliance attack and injure Vulpera caravans in Vol’dun assaults I’m sure I don’t need to explain why they wouldn’t have joined the Alliance.
I mean you said that they share a kinship with the normal Gnomes and were featured in 8.2. So I asked what’s the kinship between Vulpera and the Goblins (They’re taking the Goblin allied race slot). And shouldn’t it be Gilgoblins instead? Since they actually share a kinship with the Goblins. And were also featured in 8.2 like the Mechagnomes.
I know it may look like it, but there aren’t necessarily any “allied race slots” related to the main races. I know it looks like it because of Tauren/HM Tauren, Draenei/LF Draenei, but that doesn’t have to be the case with every race. Void Elves for instance are dislocated from Blood Elves just like Nightborne are from Night Elves. Kul-Tirans too have an entirely separate model from Humans.
Shared a better relationship with Gazlowe? Where’s the evidence for this? Let’s see some dialogue.
I’ll accept Erazmin was decidedly neutral to both, but verging towards goblins? Gonna call tauren podo on that one.
Always about the story? GREAT, Blizzard will have easiest time for new Allied races:
- Lordeanon humans
- Kirin Tor/Dalaran humans
- Stromgardians!
I mean, they may look the same… maybe we can give Dalaran fancy eyebrows and Stromguardians some scars. But according to story they would all fit perfectly. Don’t you get it? We don’t need them as fully new playable to get them into the story, the Alliance High Elves are still in! The Silver Convenant still get developement!
This is what annoys me the most with how LFD is defended for it’s only noticable difference being their eyes when armored up… and even then than can be hidden! Or junk gnomes, once you complete the recruitement visit your nearby barbershop on Mechagon and select which part(s) you wanna replace!
These are low effort allied races compared to their orignals. Heck they made Maghar special by giving them 6 (or was it 7?) different clans transmogs and skins! Where is Wildhammer skin and tattoo option for reguluar dwarves which they shoudl gotten with Cata when dwarf shaman was finaly playable? They clearly don’t put in effort into Allliance allied races, if they do it’s a dev who hates Alliance, probally was also in charge of our mounts.
Rep mounts? Zones:
Drustvar: Captured/rescued/cured wicker something and spectral gryphon
Stormsong: A water elemental and gryphon
Tirisgarde: Horse and captured parrot.
Nope 3 horses and 3 gryphons and anathor horse for unlocking KT and anathor horse for the CE… I wanna know the devs who had so little fantasy they couldn’t think of mounts like listed above.
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Blizzard’s philosophy with Allied Races has clearly been mostly “you meet this race, help them out and then they join the designated faction.” There have been a couple of exceptions like Mag’har and Void Elves who’s reputations were separate, but since then they’ve gone back to that system.
Fact of the matter is it really isn’t up to people to decide what is a waste of an AR slot. What I like you may dislike, and what you like I may dislike. Mechagnomes are still visually distinctive enough to warrant their inclusivity, though on the other end I only as an exception would think High Elves would be a waste due to the fact nothing about them separates them from Blood Elves. All ARs do look different currently.
I’m what freaking universe are mag’har high effort compared to mechagnomes.
Mag har are brown orcs. The ONLY difference between them and classic orcs is a slapped on skin which doesn’t render 3d texture and hairstyles. I’ll concede that they get 3 mog options, but it’s not exactly high effort to repaint the same armour.
Mechagnomes have completely unique limbs compared to gnomes, with moving parts. They have new facial hair options, new hair colours, different facial gadget setups that animate differently. They have unique animations with their dancing. They have 15 different “skin colours” for their mecha parts.
All mag har orc faces have the same colour eyes ffs. I love mag har orcs but I’m not going to claim more time was spent on them than some other ARs, a lot of low effort options does not constitute high effort. The only thing blizzard needed to actually create new for playable mag har was their hairstyles and armour (and VA, which isn’t that different, just shoutier) the skin textures were in game already for yonks prior. I highly doubt more time was spent creating mag har playable than it was mechagnome models.
Is that why you main horde?
And yet people -do-. It is almost as if other people enjoy things you don’t?
And yet the thing is, that lore -is- gospel. In terms of what happens in game, that is exactly what it is! It is the glue that binds the story together. If Vulpera joined the Alliance, do you not think a single person would raise an eyebrow going “We were just killing these dudes!” World of Warcraft is an MMORPG, in any RPG Lore is -massively- important. I mean it literally defines the game universe. You can’t handwave it away and say it is irrelevant, when in fact it is the direct cause and effect for things to happen. I mean if Lore isn’t important, then what was the whole point of Illidan and Outlands? Of Arthas, of Garrosh’s slide into maniacal despotism, of Deathwing, or the Legion invasion, and the discovery of Azerite?
All of these were lore events, all of which shaped the game. If you just want to play a game where pixels smack each other to gain points then frankly, WoW is probably not for you, and more importantly -people wouldn’t care about what they look like!-
Junker Gnomes and Mechagnomes are synonyms, they refer to the same people/ ‘Trashgnomes’ is just childish extrapolation, which in fairness, you were not guilty of.
Trying to talk from a “This is why Retail is what it is” point of view is to wildly swing and miss. It would be as lazy as saying "Classic fans want an incomplete game because they are just a bit rubbish, and can’t handle a more complex storyline than ‘Blue Hates Red, Must Smash!’
There is a -lot- wrong with Classic. And yes, I have played it. Both first time round, and recently again, then suddenly realised why I was thankful that Expansions were released.
They haven’t, Alliance are getting an Allied race referred to as synonymously Mechagnomes and Junkergnomes. Don’t worry, Alliance is not getting Trashgnomes. They don’t exist.
Probably the same person putting red fluoride in your water. Picture that, they make you spit red. Red’s a Horde Colour! You should go and complain to Blizzard, maybe open a ticket. Find out what they are putting in Chemtrails at the same time, could ya champ I heard it was Horde bias distilled into liquid form!
Yeah you can. In fact blizzard did so numerous times and will keep doing it.
But besides that, what I mean is, in a fictional universe where lore is written by some people, the way a thing was written only make sense after it is written, or more importantly after it was read. And even then not always. While the vulpera were decided to be a playable race long ago, the lore to support it only valid after it was introduced, which means, the fact they chose the horde only relevant because they have chosen the horde. A few alterations before that part was introduced into the game would make them neutral. If they were established across multiple expansions as pro horde, and then made playable, the lore argument would make more Sense. Otherwise is a level of “because I said so” which is true, the vulpera are horde because blizzard said so.
Why they are horde in reality is because blizzard needed a goblin rig allied race for the horde. Coulda been any race, and the lore would been written to support it. Just as it coulda been written to support any other race go any faction at any time.
This.
Also sums up a good portion of the other threads as well.
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It’s a waste to be sure, if they wanted to even the score they’d add a beast race for Alliance like the Setthrak who are sworn enemies of Vulperas.
But no, we get trashgnomes.