so many double melees in the game
Yo check out these ranged Ret Paladins btw, why are they standing on top of the enemy instead of standing on the pillar and using their attacks from range? LOL, dumb AWC players.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/12eyc7p/the_current_state_of_awc/
lol the comments on there are golden aswell:
âMeLeE iS oNlY gOoD aT lOw rAtInGsâ
âFistweaver is only good at low ratingsâ
so many melees and always double pressuring and gathering around warlock players
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Thatâs Reddit for you, players that are too embarrassed to show their retail character so flood that with nonsense anonymously. They should take a page out of Lilyâs book.
Fistweaver the most represented healer in the game at 3100, I wonder what they have to say about that.
lol i think i know what u just did
And I already told you, that this isnât fair. If mage would only have one good spec, every mage would play that. So just because Arcane is also very good and therefore decreasing the representation of fire, doesnât mean fire isnât beyond broken!
So we count mage and lock as two classes, not 6 specs! Everything else is just done to support your opinion.
No, but we could say that DK isnât a bad class, because UH is doing quite fine!
Count again:
| Class | Count |
|---|---|
| Lock | 7 |
| Boomi | 8 |
| Mage | 20 |
| Shadow | 6 |
| Ele | 21 |
| Evoker | 17 |
| Total | 79 |
| Class | Count |
|---|---|
| SV | 2 |
| Feral | 14 |
| DK | 12 |
| DH | 3 |
| WW | 9 |
| Ret | 7 |
| Rogue | 19 |
| Enha | 0 |
| Warrior | 11 |
| Total | 77 |
Values are from https://seramate.com/eu/ladder?type=3v3&page=1
But also Ret =/= Melee !!
In your dreams
How do you know? Every ele is botting btw. But laughable that you told us first that you played with Boomkin and now you say that you also played with Locks and Ele.
I knew that you arenât trustworthy.
You only play shadow, you have no clue about other casters. Nor do you play ww, so you have no clue from their perspective either.
You just hate ww and arms, because they are the most stressful melees to deal with for you. That is a very biased and onesided opinion!
Oh right, you excluded mage only! 
Doesnât change the fact that wizards are dominating 9-1 the top10. You are the one coming up with stupid arguments to support your opinion. So why canât i? 
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So you are saying every WW and Arms are bad against 90% of the casters and are horrible to play?
The entire thing were solely about WW and Arms are strong, they are not trash against every caster which some people seem to proclaim it is.
Since if it was so bad, as some people are saying, they would not be climbing into R1 if casters are overwhelmingly powerful.
Im not saying WW or Arms are OP, they are strong, simple as that and they are perfectly viable against majority of casters otherwise statistics would show them not even being able to climb. Theres more than just âOPâ and âUnviableâ.
ww is trash into casters we have zero cc and get outplayed by the massive difference, but ofc this only applies when they are good. 1 incap 1 sweep which gets instantly trinketed isnât cc or competetive.
war can easily fight mages etc and eat locks whereas ww gets utterly destroyed by mages.
Only to you because it goes against your entire narrative.
Yet Fire is more represented than Arcane, and WW is still more represented than Arcane.
And guess what, WW is more represented than Destro, Demo and Affli at 3k+ combined DESPITE their being more Warlock players!
Yet you say Windwalker isnât outperforming X class because a specific spec of it outperforms WW, therefore that class is stronger? Youâre really liking picking and choosing how you assess spec balance. 
Arenamate shows 5.
Arenamate shows 15.
So, somebodyâs site is off.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/12eyc7p/the_current_state_of_awc/
xD
Yeah, thatâs the beauty of being so embarrassed of your retail character, that you can just hide on a Classic character claiming youâre x y z with no proof of it. Why donât you do something as simple as show us your Glad mount collection? Your highest 3s achievement? You can censor your name allll you want. This wouldnât be a problem for somebody that actually has those things, but I bet you wouldnât.
Because the Ele I played with is a friend Iâve known since BFA 
How do you know?
How many times did you face SP/Boomkin on ladder? What was your peak rating last season? What comp did you play?
Yeah, you never heard of âsolo shuffleâ or âaltsâ?
Says the guy that deliberately warps data to fit his own narrative constantly.
Nope, I spent 2 weeks playing Boomkin last season and got it to 2500 in 2 days. I also played Warlock to 2500, and Iâve played Shadow Priest to 2900 in 3s and Shuffle facing WW with every single caster, often time r1 players of that caster, and seeing how WW just stomps them.
Are you okay? I literally said that WW outperformed every single caster other than Ele, Fire and Aug. Youâre ill, I swear you lie about what people say so many times.
YeahâŚmade up by the 3 specs that Iâve literally said multiple times are better than WW: Aug, Ele and Fire and thereâs also a single Boomkin that also has insane synergy with WW. What a weird coincidence
And Windwalkers are dominating spec representation in the top 50. WW has 10 spots in the top 50, no other spec has that many.
Except my opinion is supported by factual statistics which indicates that they are exceptional performers and outperform the vast majority of casters in the game. You just donât like that the factual statistics paint the truth about the exceptional spec that youâre not very good on.
The beauty of statistics: theyâre facts, your opinion on the power of your spec only goes so far when the facts are there which shows you that itâs exceptional. Reminder, a list of all the caster specialisations WW outperformed above 3k:
The list of casters that WW didnât outperform above 3k:
- Aug (conveniently performs very well with WW)
- Ele (which you claim were all bots, so I expect the disqualifications to come through and for that number to decrease, reducing the number of specs to come down to 2)
- Fire Mage (conveniently has exceptional synergy with WW)
Youâve done very well to deflect from the original point, though. WW is exceptional into all but 3 caster specialisations, although you claim 1 of them was âall botsâ.
Simple question which you havenât been able to answer a single time: If every caster was so good against WW, why is WW outperforming so many of them?
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Like I said, if ww are trash into majority of casters you would not see WW in the high rating when people keep saying the higher rating you go the more powerful casters becomes.
Its the âdownplayingâ the spec hard because they get countered by specific specs and drive it like it happens 99% of the times and the only reason they are able to climb at all, is because of their godlike skills against all odds. =p
This. Exactly this. WW outperforms all but 3 casters and the guy is claiming that 1 of them is âall botsâ. Says a lot when you need a robot to play the game for you to outperform specs. Melees are also more represented than casters at 3k - 3100 +. The bias and delusions of these melee players, and the one hiding behind his Classic character because he probably couldnât even get last seasonâs welfare drake, is hilarious to the point itâs borderline concerning.
Imagine if SP was outperforming all but 3 melees and I was in here saying that SP is bad into melees loooool. These guys wouldnât have any hair left.
you would see ww at high ratings because majority of lobbies avg is melees which ww is good into. ww is horrible utterly horrible into good mages.
How do you explain WWs also being more represented than all but 3 caster specs in 3v3 at 3k -3.1k then?
Which has been established and is evident in the statistics. How about all the other casters?
No, I am saying that WW isnât a complete joke into all caster (except mage). Keep out of the conversation if you have no clue what is about.
No, because it makes no sense!
Yeah, and Ele is more represented than ww + arms combined. So get your 
together!!!
No, I say ww isnât a complete joke into all casters (except mage) like you are saying!
Arenamate is so 2015!
dear op melee pressure not being nerfed and it persist strong with 250 posts long
ngl, reading the bias is kinda funny, atleast when it comes to overreacting and not understanding what he rly means. So I guess I have no clue about it and you overreacting is good 
There are at least 20 languages on earth and this gamer chose to speak faxx 
Yeah no. 2500+ is probably less then 1% of the player base.
If you want pvp to die even more and you only balance around the top you will have no players left.
If you pick a surten class too counter a broken specc, like picking hpal in season one vs assa rouge, even tho hpal was the worst performing healer overall⌠it just gave them one more setup vs assa rog.
Counterpicking doesnt work on ladder.
But if a specc is performing better by default you will see more representation on ladder and at awc.
Rdruid is bonkers broken pre and after patch. God tier even if sitting back only pve healing not utilizing the ridiculous kit they got.
I love a specc that needs to utilize the potantial in is doing good.
Bying broken by default is just ridiculous.
im just tired of this argument please go make a ww youâre a good player bro now go take it to high ratings then talk to me about how good designed the spec is and how good it is into casters after that.
1 build, tuning baked into every tier set, 2 locked honor talents along with bugs on our gapclosers, our combo point generation system vs what rogues generators is like etc is so bad lmao. â just some of the issues.