every season when its deflated i face alot of high xp people through the season on any mmrs i might play any of my characters but i dont stop playing, am i annoyed that the participation is low? yes, but do i stop playing the game? no. i take what im there for and i try find some enjoyment from the game after all im paying for it why else i would continue my sub if not play the game
Just because people are much better doesnât mean that they should always be playing tryhard, sweaty games. Why? Because itâs a game you pay for and should enjoy it however you want to.
Please provide your evidence of this. Shadenox already offered to go through all your footage checking every single player you play against.
Whatâs the problem with that? If you want to be good at something, you do it repeatedly. What is this entitled âproblematic solutionâ lol?
Considering âmetaâ is an acronym for âmost effective tactic availableâ, then yeahâŚif you want to win more consistently and get higher ratingâŚyou play the best comps. Lol?
Of course. Why would they inflate it so early in the season? You think if most Gladiator level players could get glad in week 1 then they would continue playing for the months that was left of the season? No, they grind. They improve. They keep playing.
Idk why youâre even complaining so much when you get your apparent goals within the first week and then spend the rest of the season on the forums. Starting to think you maybe want something more than a transmog set.
What happens when you get stomped by a lower exp player? Do you blame their class? The matchup? Whatâs the excuse then?
Nope. Iâve already done the copy name > checkpvp thing in past seasons. I donât need other people to tell me what I already know.
MMR/Rating in WoW actively discourages you from playing unless you have a good chance of winning. I donât have a good chance of winning into gladiators, especially when Iâm on alts. I am never going to beat Joefernandes + gladiator hpriest while iâm playing my goofy assa rogue alt that iâve never been 1600 on, so when I lost to him twice in a row, I just stopped queueing. Whats the point? As previously said - I am not going to be your content battery.
brother how can i earn the shaman set while playing my survival hunter? please make youtube video guide tyvm
Why not?
If its fun, why not?
If it isnât fun, why?
Iâve already told you why it isnât fun for the 1800-2200 range. You tell me why it isnât fun playing at 2400+ in 3s and people want to escape ASAP?
Let me guess? Everyone meta comps, which forces you to meta comp, and most of the people there are actually 3k+ players on their 7th alt?
Sure iâll help you.
I made a sarcastic comment:
You replied this, because youâre incapable of bantering without bringing up your 3s rating
So I replied this, playing into your attempt at an ego check, by giving a hyperbolic excuse
everything is downstream of you saying that. If you donât want to discuss issues of MMR and rating, why be so bold as to talk about them yourself?
Be honest - are you just annoyed that iâm reapplying to you and wonât stop?
Depends on the scenario. Some times its my mistake, some times its just a bad matchup, some times theyâre playing an OP comp.
here are all your excuses for why Scardex is 400 rating higher than you this season. Are excuses bad now? I thought you liked playing against r1s? So if its not comp or class or match up that matters, why arenât you 3k? sounds like youâre just making excuses and afraid to find out what your TrUe RaTiNg is
I just love that still you guys donât see the contradiction between the two statements:
- Glads and Rank 1s and Streamers donât play at low ratings, its all in your head
- Of course Glads, Rank 1s and Streamers play at low ratings. This is because its early in the season. Just wait 180 days and return during inflation to find out your true rating.
Like, really? You guys donât see how these contradict each other? 
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/check-pvp-helper
i love this addon, if any have some better ones dont be afraid to suggest me
Oh great, zero evidence, wonât even bother trying prove it a single time so anything you say goes and you can live in your fantasy world. 4 in 10 games with r1s and streamers at 1800 mmr? Hilarious. Appears to be a bit of a trend among Warrior players that just say whatever they want to with absolutely zero proof of it.
Good job you decided to not pursue a legal career, isnât it?
How did a 0x gladiator become a gladiator?
Iâve been watching Joefernandes since WoD and not once have I seen him playing at 1600 mmr lol.
But again, you have already said that you arenât going to provide any evidence of any claim you make, so Iâm going to just ignore every single thing you say about other people until you do. I deal with facts and factual evidence, not unsubstantiated claims with zero proof 
Donât be so trash at the game then that youâre playing and losing at meme mmr where streamers get free content. Canât manage it? Donât play.
Those gladiator players will stop playing, the gap between Glad and r1 is too big that even if you are spam queuing every single day you still might not get r1. Same reason you stop playing after 1800, because you donât think itâs fun 
Because beyond Gladiator there isnât anything else most people can reasonably get. Any half competent player can easily get Gladiator rotating through lfg with or without voice.
Please show me where I brought up MY 3s rating that wasnât a reasonable response to anything you have said. I know evidence and substantiation isnât your strong point, but try to do it one time
Saying youâve played 13+ years and havenât been gladiator isnât an ego check, itâs a fact.
There are no mmr and rating issues for anything other than healers in solo shuffle. Everything else is straight up coping mechanisms from factually bad players.
Why does this logic apply to losing to lower expâd players but not higher?
I do? But like I said - my goal was Glad. I achieved my goal, why would I play more?
No no no, we know they do. Our problem is with the frequency you say they are there. You said you played into them 4 games out of 10. Prove it? You wonât because you canât, because you know itâs a lie.
For the same reason if I played exclusively at 1400 MMR it wouldnât be fair?
Do you have any actual arguments in favour of boosting, smurfing and viewer carries or is it literally just âyes, true, but also, it would be bad if this happened⌠tooâ x500?
But theyâre not playing exclusively at trash mmr are they?
Incredibly rich calling for âactual argumentsâ from the guy claiming heâs playing against r1s and streamers 4 games out of 10 at 1800 but canât even provide one screenshot that proves it.
Nothing wrong with people playing the game they pay for how they want to.
Why arenât you complaining youâre playing against people lower expâd than you? Why is your problem only with playing against people youâre lower expâd than?
Because I never tank rating, or play with people 1,000 MMR below myself.
Do you think every viewer or glad booster plays with people of similar MMR to themselves?
Weâre back to âyes, it happens⌠but also wouldnât it be bad if you did it, too?â
Yes! it would! I agree with you. Now are you man enough to admit that it is a problem, or are you so selfish in your view of the game, that you think only the top players should be allowed to swan dive 1000-1500 rating below their peak and ruin THOUSANDS of games every season because âday r just habing foon 8Dâ
âGuys, the ladder is so dead, no one is playing!â Gee, i wonder why 
Itâs not a problem. Itâs not anybodyâs problem that your mentality and attitude to competitive content is so poor that you look at someone whoâs achieved more than you when you play against them and take it as a loss.
Guess what, 0x gladiators had to face glads and r1s in order to become Glads. Their mentality is better than yours, if they resigned every time they saw a glad mount, theyâd beâŚyou.
How many games did you play today? What MMR? How many r1s did you face? How many streamers? Who were the streamers? Any proof that you faced them or are you just making stuff up to suit a narrative?
Try to substantiate a single claim you make for the first time. I believe in you.
Again
- You admit that boosters exist for gold
- You admit that streamers play with viewers, and boost them to their desired ratings, always below 2400
- You admit that in the first month or two of the season, inflation doesnât exist and gladiators play at rival-duelist MMR
- You are aware that streamers and gladiators play the most games, and thus youâre more likely to face them
- Youâre aware that top players tend to have multiple of the same spec, and play them all
- Youâre aware that comp matters a lot, and the meta matters a lot, and that top players generally play decent or meta comps
- Youâre aware that putting in the reps, raw experience results in much better play
- Youâre aware that the entire point of the MMR system is to attempt to create fair matches
and yet, despite knowing and/or admitting to all of the above, your response is still:
âPlease record X number of games, because booster gladiators/r1s/streamers donât play at 1850-2300 MMR, and also even if they do, just deal with it, exclusively play meta comps yourself and also drag your team mates along for a multi thousand hour improvement journey so that you too can be a glad/r1 and beat the glads/r1s at 1900 MMR early in the season, consistently.â
Really?
Me personally? I think I should face 1700-1900 MMR skill players at 1800 MMR. Instead, I get to 2100 MMR and face Joefernandes. I get to 1950 MMR and face Kasu. I get to 1800 MMR and face Ziqo/Hydra/Pshero.
Which is within the ToS
Not against any rules.
Everything needs to be looked at proportionally and the only thing that matters is the ranking. My 2961 3s in shadowlands season 2 would have been 90 cr below r1 in DF s2, in sl s2 it was 500+ cr below.
So?
Most people in the game play decent or meta comps.
As it logically should? If you played as much as you do stalking forums filling them with claims that arenât substantiated, you might have something decent to show for 13+ years of playing the game.
My response is to your claim that you play against r1s and streamers âin 4 games out of 10 at 1800 mmrâ. Yet, you canât even provide one single screenshot or piece of evidence that itâs true.
Proof? When was the last time Ziqo/Hydra or Pshero played retail arena btw?
You said you play against r1s and streamers âin 4 out of 10 gamesâ. Iâll ask you again: how many games did you play today? What mmr? What streamers? Who were they? What r1s? Who were they?
All of these claims youâre making are as valid as me saying âI played against Echo 10 games in a row and I won all of them. I have no proof but trust me broâ.
Ok guys weâre getting somewhere. 15 replies ago it was
âIt doesnât happen, but it does at the same time, and who caresâ
and now its
âIt happens, its not against the rules, so who cares?â
Weâre approaching an actual opinion now that lines up with reality.
Here are the valid opinions to hold, btw:
A) I donât think boosting is wrong, and I donât think smurfing is wrong, and I donât think playing with viewers 1500 rating below my peak is wrong.
or
B) I think the above scenarios are bad for the game, because it creates an unfair play environment and undermines the entire point of the MMR system
I am assuming your actual opinion is A, but its hard to get it out of you because you fill half of your posts with nonsense calls for evidence to disprove the thing youâve already admitted happens and you think is okay.
Last season for Pshero, the season before that for Ziqo/Hydra. Last season I faced Pshero, Joe, Kasu, Bicmex, Snupy and Jazgg (a few more but i forget their names) the season before that I faced everyone again, besides Kasu/Bicmex, but also Ziqo and Hydra. I beat Ziqo/Hydra because they were playing an off-meta meme comp which was Arcane/Disc. Got them twice in a row with Nancy on her warlock.
Now, you can say âloool show proofâ - why? do you expect me to soy out and screenshot every time I beat a strimmer? I donât care when I beat a streamer playing a meme comp out of voice. In fact I felt sorry for them because they were having to play the worst 2 specs in the game at the time, and if that was all rank 1s and glads did, I wouldnât care. But if you want to play on your main, in a meta comp, in voice - yeah why are you even here? Does MMR mean nothing? Apparently so. I was facing rank 1s at 1950 MMR at the start of S2, then I log back in 6 months later to quickly get the hunter set and all of a sudden im 2300 MMR and playing against people that donât bubble or iceblock, no r1s in sight.
4 more to break 400, thunderson will have an record with the longest post. might make him an mvp or what are the requirements idk, would be funny tho
Where did I say it doesnât? Can you stop lying for once?
So if youâre beating them, whatâs the problem?
Instead of writing essays full of unsubstantiated nonsense, why donât you answer some very simple questions:
You said you face r1s and streamers â4 out of 10 games at 1800 mmrâ.
So: how many games did you play today? How many r1s did you face? How many streamers? Who were they? Show me your proof?
Youâve been having this argument since before the season went live. If I was you, the SECOND I queued into a r1 or a streamer at your low mmr I would have screenshotted it for the easiest âgotchaâ of all time. You havenât done that, as somebody that looooves to comment and has an opinion for everything, I wonder why?
Asking for evidence that it happened comes with it the implication that it didnât happen. I do not need to give you evidence - you know that it happens. I will not jump through hoops for you, DPlover, so you can have it both ways.
I donât beat them, usually? Do you think I typically beat rank 1s on my 1600 rogue? lol. I beat them a decent amount on my hunter and healers, but iâm not going to roleplay that iâm beating Joefernandes on my devoker.
Heres how I know youâre dishonest. The first day is pure chaos. It is mostly gladiators and rank 1s at 1600-1900 MMR. Snupy has an entire video of him playing at 1600-1900 on NA yesterday against mostly glads and rank 1s. Instead of being a coward and trying to roleplay that you donât know that the season just started and therefore its very likely that glads/r1s will be in 1600-1900 MMR range, you could just, not? And state your stance?
So having watched the video above, are you going to be honest now? No?
Yeah, thought so.
Haha nice goalpost shifting. I know it happens, but as I said earlier, it does not happen as much as you say it does. â4 out of 10 gamesâ.
Thereâs a difference between saying âpeople boost others to Gladiatorâ and âabove 2400 4 out of 10 games are boostersâ.
When you say that 40% of your games at 1800 mmr are against r1s and streamers, then yeahâŚyou kinda do.
I barely faced r1s at 2600 mmr in September and you actually think people believe you faced them at 1600? :\
So how many did you face? How many streamers? Who were they? What proof do you have?
Who were the âmostly gladsâ? Only recognisable names there are Envyion and the Warlock he was with, and that was what, 2-2100 mmr?
How many were last season glads in that video were at 1800 mmr and under (the rating you say they are at)?
Iâll ask you for the 3rd or 4th time now: how many games did you play today? How many were r1s and streamers? Who were they? Whereâs your proof?
You said: â4 out of 10 games at 1800 are into r1s and streamersâ. Prove it. You canât, can you?
looks into camera
No, I donât. Just because you love to roleplay that youâre some important guy in da real worl at university, doesnât mean every single statement has to be peer-reviewed. Some things are self evident. DHs are strong right now. MMR is deflated right now. Gladiators are playing at 1600 MMR right now. These are all observable truths that you can witness yourself and that make sense even without witnessing them - you are the one being the ultimate skeptic here, and I ainât playin that game. Spin your wheels in the mud if you want, I donât care.
woah, its almost like September was 5 months into the season, and im talking about the first month of the season⌠shocker!
woops forgot my sources that September is in fact months after the start of the season:
Why donât you checkpvp them with all of your spare time?
Why donât you checkpvp them with all of your spare time?
Prove to me that youâre a human being and that you arenât a construct of the matrix. I will wait.
So letâs all say whatever we want to say with absolutely no authority whatsoever to support our claims, because thatâs how we convince people we are right!
Yeah, no wonder you ended up watering and selling plants for a living. Good grief.
You could have literally won the entire argument by providing screenshots of the r1s and streamers you faced today at 1800 mmr, an argument you started before the season even went live. Easiest gotcha of all time. You havenât done it. Wonder why.
Lol, you literally claimed that they are âmostly glads and r1sâ. So, who are they? No way did you just make yet another claim with absolutely zero evidence to support it? Doesnât sound like you.
What a response to asking you to substantiate a statistical claim youâve made. Plant seller for a reason :\
Actually i just quit till the last 2 weeks, blizz gets no money from me.
Instead of bashing my head into a wall for 5 months i came back last 2 weeks, got glad+grabbed r1 and done.
Yeah but youâre not claiming 40% of your games at 1800 mmr are against r1s and streamers then providing no evidence of it lul