Melee pressure getting nerfed or not?

Quixote* :rofl:

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rofl coming telling me on condenscending manner how im just bad on warlock and so on and so forth and then making dumb claim how retri/arms wouldnt be easyer to play than casters, when infact you self being worse than me on the game you are trying talk me down

its obvious, your jealous of someone being better than you and you trying to drag them down to your level when they obviously are not and in fact you are quite bad on the game

having someone on bnet doesnt make them your “great friends” deleting someone from your bnet happens but is not the end of the world, like i said i delete anyone who i find dumb or wouldnt care play any comp with on this game

i think thats enough of this topic now, you can stop talking of me deleting you from my friends, seriously get over it and continue your life youre a grown man

i find you have dumb takes and i find you are not very good on the game that i would play with, you have people that carry you so you manage gain 500 games 2.1 with 50% compared to me who take these with 70% wins and 70 played for 2.1 playing with people less exp than you from lfg so it tells enough of you for me, and once again if you get deleted from someones list stop make 50 post on forum about it and instead get over it, completely ridiculous topic even to discuss

True thanks for correcting. I swear we type it differently in Polish.

And as we speak you have the best example of his breakdowns above.

He is saying he didn’t pretend to be my friend but he was spamming me 24/7 literally. Imagine going to the office and then taking coffee break to read A4 page of his messages at 10 AM.

in the case this is for me ive not talked of my shuffle ratings to anyone except these 2 cases of certain challenger for life people calling themselves as “elite player” to me, i pointed out that as they only put value on this mode i were 2.4 with ~100 played when they currently are something like 900 with negative for 2.4 and yet calling themselves as “elites” according shuffle or this record alone when in fact they got nothing outside of shuffles either, so it was to prove them a point that even on this clown mode they put so much value for they are worse. thats all, personally i dont care what people get there aslong they dont come brag of it to me, i dont put value on it

the fact remains that these people have been challenger or rival for years now and whatever they gain in shuffles and while having nothing in arenas they remain as challengers if they lack any rating outside of shuffles, its pointless from them to compare themselves to me example when i play arena the whole season on multiple characters and get few of them 2.1 always, currently highest 2.2 with 90 played but these people still have nothing, according common sense if they were 7 years rivals they are still rivals till they go higher in arenas, simple as that, we dont just start calling people random ranks even if they didnt touch arena to their lives, i dont see how this would be different now with the arena related ranks challengers are taking from shuffles for free and calling themselves of “elite player” when his record in fact is just horrible

but i think thats enough of me, it seem ive made an quite impression to some here as they cant stop obsessing and they should maybe make some fan club where they could discuss matters related me instead derail posts namedropping me on them in daily basis of matters unrelated to the post lol, seem im living rent free in multiple peoples heads which i guess is something

dont know what else to say to these people except that continue your own lives, i dont care how you go on in your lives so i wont make empty wishes, stop obsessing of one person in internet would be good start i guess

75% of that was projection :new_moon_with_face:

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You don’t care so much that you typed another A4 page essay. Is it Alythena or Malzeva this time?

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its clear that casters cant climb cause of melee hardcounters …blizzard is just bad

Sorry, but thats not true

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skill issue unironically. wizards get stronger the higher you go. low rating is melee dominant because it takes zero brain to hold W and kick and stun whereas it takes 80iq and above to be able to see ‘oh, avatar colossus smash… maybe i should imp weakness and soulburn teleport away…’

most locks don’t do this and just let you eat them alive, because they think they can out damage you while face tanking you like its BFA. it isn’t BFA. use your buttons.

take comfort in knowing you have only yourself to blame. its a lot better than telling yourself your class or some other class is to blame.

which you clearly didnt understand nor that it werent for you other than tiny portion in the end but yet you were again wrong, tells me you fail at reading comprehension or your just dumb, but as i already answered on this unrelated crying of yours on this and other posts about you been removed by some that the reason from me being i didnt find you that smart, which this again is clear demonstration of, i mean you fail to understand even the very phrase you quote me from, can you just stop embarassing yourself

and stop crying that someone removes you from their lists, my god this is just cringe. adult men crying that someone removed them from their bnet lists. and how exactly is that related on this ops post even, this is the very reason why you were removed, the answer is here. my god seriously just stop

It’s not about the fact you removed because with your behavior I’d do this eventually sooner or later but how it happened to me and many other people. It’s not normal. What I clearly don’t understand is if I type 2 sentences you respond with 2 paragraphs but you don’t care right?

literally no one cares, your spam of some personal life related drama of yours is of no ones interest nor related on these posts in no way

i explained to you why i removed you, any other people i have or have not removed from my bnet is none of your business and you can only speculate your own theories if you so insist but i have my own reasons and fact is i dont need to explain myself to anybody why i would remove someone, i will not go into detail and explain. it is ridiculous and out of place

You care enough to keep responding xD

Interesting take. Let’s take a look at the Arenamate EU 3v3 top 15 statistics at 3k rating, shall we:

3 casters: Ele Shaman, Aug (if you count Aug as a caster) and Fire mage.

7 melees: Ret, Outlaw, WW, Sub, Arms, UH, Feral Druid.

5 healers.

Now let’s compare that to 2.4. 5 casters, 5 melees.

‘Wizards get stronger the higher you go’ btw.

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its something he mouthpieces seen said by other warriors higher than him, you will confuse him with actual facts

no one gets stronger the higher anyone go, everyone remains the same, just as arms remain strong

wizards in every winning team. playing no wizards made one team lose.

same situation at AWC 2 months ago:

somehow they can play wizards at blizzcon but people on the forums can’t play them into 2k mmr warriors :frowning:

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false. many specs have much higher skill floors than others. rogues for example are notoriously awful at the lowest ratings, but become broken overpowered almost every season ever at highest ratings.

warriors and rets by contrast usually dominate the lowest ratings, but fall off as rating increases and players learn how to handle burst cooldowns and punish tunneling.

Imagine actually thinking that AWC is an accurate representation of specialisation performance in ladder play.

The information is quite literally freely available to show you that you are wrong. Ladder is a much stronger indication of spec performance and strength than tournament play. I actually expected somebody that’s played as long as you have to understand this…

Boomkin won an AWC yet it’s not even in the top 15 for spec representation at 3k in 3s. Hmmmm. The math isn’t mathing.

P.S. all those casters that won tournaments are playing with a melee. Where’s the success of the wizard cleaves?

Preservation Evoker won an AWC against Hpaladin, does that mean Pres Evoker is stronger than Holy Paladin?

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ok. is 2k mmr? the guy i replied to originally plays at 1800 CR. Thats probably 1800-2100 mmr. is this an accurate representation of the ladder? he is also a mostly shuffle player by the looks of it - and in shuffle, the higher you go, the more wizards appear. 1800-2200 mmr is the filter for wizards. they need to learn how to use their abilities and position. if they don’t they don’t climb. melee hit the wall around 2300 mmr as well. you can zug with brain off until that point in shuffle.

see for yourself - wizard percentages increase and melee fall as you go up in brackets.

edit: my mmr brackets assume its late in the season btw. obviously earlier in the season stuff is diff

You said ‘wizards get stronger the higher you go’. I gave you statistics comparing 2400 to 3k. There were more wizards played at 2400 than what are played at 3k. Now, quick maths, 3000 is bigger than 2400, so why does the number of wizards lower if ‘wizards get stronger’?

What is this arbitrary range? Ratings went up to 3100, and you’re capping them at 2200?

I mean I’ve been talking about 3s this entire time but whatever floats your boat.

See, this is where you’re mistaken again because you’re including Hunters in this, which are ‘ranged’ and not ‘wizards’. Are Aug and Dev ‘wizards’? I don’t think so

2400 Solo Shuffle EU:

2689 melees, 2933 ‘ranged’. 434 of those ranged specs are BM and MM Hunter, bringing our ranged total down to 2,499, ignoring Devastation and Aug.

So, deducting MM and BM alone brings the wizard number lower than melees.

Now you say ‘wizards get stronger the higher you go’, right? So, let’s see 2700 Shuffle:

442 melee, 575 ranged.

Deducting Aug, MM, BM and Devastation, we now have 388 what I would call ‘wizards’. Hm, lower than melees again. Weird. Unless you want to claim that Augmentation and Dev are ‘wizards’?