Midnight looks GREAT, addon ban, button purge & more

Hello,

So in the past 8 years I have found little to be excited or positive about with retail wow but it has finally happened. I didn’t know the day would come, but for the first time in over 8 years I’m positive and see a bright future for retail if Blizz continues in the direction seen in midnight alpha.

First off button bloat:
I’d rather have 3-5 buttons that hit like a truck than 3 hotbars full of trash like currently is the case with retail wow. All you do is baby sit buffs and debuffs etc, you need addons for that because it’s to much. I don’t use addons so I can’t play half the classes atm. Also I have 24 keybinds and its still not enough. I’ve asked for years to go more simple and make the actual encounters more interesting and unique.

Addon ban:
Addons are psuedo cheats. In any other game, a 3rd party applet running / calculating game logic are called cheats. That’s what they are. They are required because of bad game design. They never were required in classic era. Now we don’t need to go back to the slog slowness of classic and braindead encounters there but without addons blizz could actually taylor content to people like me, who don’t use addons. I’ve been asking for years and years to ban addons as a whole. Combat addons is a good first step and prolly the most impactful. The reason I would like a total ban is to force blizzard to make the game more accessible for people with handicaps natively, instead of them relying on buggy badly written 3rd party applets.

Example of addons cheating outside of combat:

Back when Mists of Tirna Sicthe was new, there was a weak aura that solved the maze was everywhere. If one person had it, then everyone lost the experience of solving the maze. Heroic, low keys, high keys. Didn’t matter. You couldn’t opt out if someone had it.

Think about it:
No popular game requires you to download a 3rd party app for your game so you can download more 3rd party apps that some again can install more 3rd party mini applets inside (WA) to play the game normally. Imagine Fortnite, LOL, Dota etc. AND btw LOL has 4 buttons but the gameplay is VERY complex and hard. I know some retail andies think babysitting 5 buffs and 3 hotbars of trash is skill but it’s really not, it’s a tedious job.

Why this is needed:
I’ve seen a lot of debate online but from someone who quit in bfa and came back it’s obvious. Not to troll but the game is dead, on it’s last legs. It’s so bad that somewhere they allowed guilds to be cross realm AND cross faction, what?? Why even have factions but oke I can see why it was needed, I remember M+ taking FOREVER in BFA as alliance. Alliance was especially dead back then. Now M+ goes a tad faster which is great, untill you realize that is also cross faction, so this is it, this is all they can do to smooth things out.

The game needs more new players:
And you don’t attract new players with a wall of addons and 3 hotbars full of garbage. Just not happening. The game needs to be simplified as they do in Midnight and should get a console release ideally post last titan xpac. So there’s time to fix some other smaller issues and iron it all out.

Housing:
It is shaping to be everything I’ve wanted for the past 8 years and then some. It’s really good stuff. From all i’ve seen they understand what housing is and needs. Impressive.

“Dead” open world:
Seems to be experimented with / addressed with prey, I think it’s a great feature, optional, brings back the challenge for those that want it and a reason to into the overworld. Also housing materials ofc. I like that they retroactively made old profs important with that, really good stuff!

Only thing I hope they solve is item lvl bloat, because of that I thought tww was more dead than it actually is. You see, the regular world bosses are just there, nobody kills them. And now I know why, they give ilvl 603 gear, which over 100 ilvl lower than what you’d want now. It means that from TWW start till now y’all gained over 100ilvl which is just to much imo. Minor issue for me personally. But I believe for the health of the game people should be able to play the XPAC, not just a patch.

Conclusion:
Overal I am VERY happy and positive with the new direction Blizz is taking retail in, clearly they have learned from the Classic saga. I haven’t been happy or positive in forever but here we are. It can happen, I’ve said that it can, but retail needed a nuclear change which seems to be happening.

Stick to your guns with the button purge and addon ban, god speed. Remember;
“I’d rather have 3-5 buttons that hit like a truck than 3 hotbars full of trash”

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Ah yeah, addons that improved the crap default UI truly are cheat defining…

Honestly see Midnight tailored towards the inept.

So any reason you felt the urge of making a thread instead of the spam of threads already up?

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That is subjective. I’ve no idea whats going on with an average elvui? enjoyers screen. But good news; they are still ALLOWED. Only addons processing game logic (aka cheats) are banned. Which is good. YOU should play the game, not an addon like WA. You have rotation WA’s that tell you what button to press lmao. You have addons that tell you not to stand in stuff and people still do. Speak about skill.

Well you see skill = babysitting 3 hotbars full of trash. I see skill and actually doing boss mechanics that are interesting and unique.

Yes, these are my 2 cents. I’ve only been negative in the past 8 years and I am happy and thought let’s go to the forums with some positive feedback for once.

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Ah yeah, WAs to track my weeklies, knowledge points, fish caught for derby, making the cursor clearer, etc. truly is cheating.

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Well good news – that can still work but it’s the dev’s choice the discontinue his cheating app as a whole, which is fine, once a cheater always a cheater ha. But on the real they won’t actually quit.

Because then they’ll be replaced in a hot minute with someone who will make that for you. Lua, xml is not that difficult and someone wants that “fame”. They are just trying to put “pressure” on blizzard not realizing that like 5 people use WA’s. Their userbase is comically small compared to the wow playerbase.

Again if they really won’t update because their main bread and butter was creating cheats, then someone else will make such non combat addons in short time. Always someone. Perhaps they only know how to make cheats and have no creativity beyond cheating.

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“Comically small” to 260m downloads from curseforge alone [not including other sites]… alright buddy. :roll_eyes:

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Ye downloads, over a decade just 30k users generate that for you. If every update you download again is counted as well it’s even less (which is the case). It’s not that deep. almost nobody uses it already thats why this won’t really be a big deal. Almost nobody raids mythic as well so it’s not surprising.

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Don’t BS yourself mate, it’s just about half that to DBM which a ton of people use, so half to a ton is somehow “comically small”.

Anyways I’m done arguing with an attention seeking troll who felt special enough to make the umpteenth thread.

Again, almost nobody uses DBM. Just 16% of wow players has AOTC. With DBM cheats it’s a faceroll to get that. Of that 16% maybe 3% is sweaty and uses DBM. Like imagine struggling in heroic with cheats. I’ve seen it in normal Dimensius (PUGS), people’s dmb shouting in /s move into the purple and then 50% of the raid being wiped out lmao.

But even if everyone used it. What does it matter, it’s bad game design that allowed these cheats to fester for decades. In midnight 0% will use DBM and WA, we are all on equal playing ground and can expect to understand the world and game without 500 applets ruining game performance – and we should all celebrate that.

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How is using addons allowed by blizz is cheating?

This is the new copium by addons haters i see recently.

If an addon is way too “powerful” then blizz broke it down, like they did before.

I understand that u dont like addons, but atm addons are not againts eula if stay within “allowed range”.

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100 ilvl across an expac is fine much less and you lose any sense of power progression

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but wanting to ban all addons, please, that’s not necessary. What about RP addons? Why do you want them gone? What about collection and crafting addons? Gathering addons? Why do you want them gone?

“Oh I don’t want them gone!”

But you said so? You said you wanted a TOTAL addon ban. smh.

Pseudo cheats.

What a lot of twaddle.

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The specs I’ve tried on alpha feel anaemic and lifeless. Pressing the same button over and over waiting for something better to do isn’t fun no matter how much damage it does.

I’ve heard some are ok, but unfortunately I’m 4 for 4 on things I had interest in on live being boring husks on alpha.

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It is cheating in every other game, ever. Blizz was slacking hard and finally realized that nobody is going to deal with that outdated bs.

I get it, but why you ask; to modernize the game. Addon’s are poorly made scripts that are security nightmares and just a bad user experience. To ready retail wow for Consoles it should do away entirely with addons. But its my opinion, i don’t care to much personally as long as combat addons are gone i’m fine.

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But this is the decision of the authors, they decided to torpedo the whole addon because of not being able to support the combat functionalities. Other things could safely continue working, but the authors have decided otherwise…

We can only respect that and other addon authors will soon close and fill the gap for sure. It is not Blizzard’s fault whole WA is shutdown.

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They are cheats, just allowed to fester due to bad game design that has been going on the past decades in retail wow. Try playing any other online game and using 3rd party software that reads / changes game logic. You’ll be banned.

It’s an outdated boomer system that was way overdue to go. Glad it is happening.

The challenge will be in the encounters but ofc not during questing / lvling. I see no fun in having 3 hot bars full of garbage that you need addons for to calculate what is best to do, especially with rogue, cannot play without WA cheats.

Ofc, the demand for QOL addons will exist for as long as addons as a whole are allowed to exist. Someone will make it. Let the cheat makers of WA cry in their corner. They’ll be irrelevant soon.

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99.9% of the addons aren’t even combat addons. But somehow you call all of them cheats.

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WoW doesn’t you can download and unzip addons into the game today, same as you did in 2004.
Addons give the game an untold level of flexibility.
Another massively popular game, minecraft, runs entirely on addons and mods.

The horde and alliance have worked together at the end of almost every story for a long time, why shouldn’t players be able to?

Some classes are so dumbed down by this, that the game isn’t fun anymore.

Ok lfmao.

0/10 troll thread.

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