Mists of Pandaria - Challenge modes

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Hi,
I’d like to start off by saying this is all purely my own opinion on the matter and i’m wondering what the rest of the community think about the matter.

At this point in the game, transmog is a rather large part of class fantasy and the way you feel and to be honest one of the biggest things that keep me engaged within the game.
With this Mists of Pandaria gold challenge mode transmog sets are some of the best sets in the game and people that earned these sets know what it took to get these regardless of what class/spec you earned this on. Continuing on this I am very confused why these aren’t cross account by now (by this I mean unlocking the warlock set if you earned the achievement on a druid) for the people that earned them back then of course. The argument of ‘yes but you didn’t earn it on a warlock’ has been removed by them making gladiator mounts account wide. I have been playing the game since late BC and even to this day when you see a gladiator mount this player means business.
For me, I earned the MoP challenge modes sets on 3 separate classes - Paladin, Druid and Priest so why I can’t log on my (now main) Monk and have the said, transmog is beyond me.
Just wondering other peoples opinions on the subject. (if you never earned these sets back in the day and are against this, I completely understand why you wouldn’t want this)
Thank you.

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Greetings!

I hope you don’t mind me throwing in my two cents into the mix!

As it was stated within a blue post back in July, the Shadowlands Season 1 will be World Of Warcraft’s 30th PVP season. Within this incredibly vast time frame, some players have most likely switched mains numerous times, back and forth, over the years. Furthermore, there’s a probability that some players have obtained different iterations of the Gladiator Mounts on different classes, as time has passed.

Considering this, I believe it is a very welcome decision to the game that Blizzard has implemented. People who, over the years, have become multifaceted with regards to this aspect of the game, should - in my opinion - be able to show their past, present and future Gladiator Mounts off on whichever character they decide to main in arenas, going forward.

Now, the Mist of Pandaria Challenge Mode Dungeon content was available to players between patch 5.0.4 and patch 6.0.2 - a duration of a little more than 2 years, between August 2012 and October 2014.

Obtaining a transmogrifiable class set back then, from that particular piece of content, communicated to the rest of the player base that you presumably mastered playing your respective class to a level that would justify you with obtaining your reward - just as the case can be made with obtaining a Gladiator Mount through PVP.

But, as I understand it, you’re talking about retroactively rewarding players with the Challenge Mode Dungeons gear sets for all classes, as long as a player completed the content back then with just one or two classes. And this is where I disagree.

For me, it simply boils down to the fact that one piece of content is still available to be obtained, whereas the other one isn’t.

To answer your original point, no, I don’t think it would be fair to reward players for something they did not achieve - under the restraints of the game design back then. Nor will they be able to in the foreseeable future; unlike Gladiator Mounts.

So yes, I concur with the sentiment you mentioned previously, that you shouldn’t be rewarded for something you did not complete. But interesting thought, nevertheless.

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To be honest the Mists of Pandaria challenge mode sets were boosted on a large scale like Mythic+ boosting is today, the sets hold little prestige if you played during MoP and remember the boosting spam in trade and on the (realm) forums.

My thoughts when I see a player with any of those armor sets is never “this is a good player”- instead it’s “boosted player”.

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Completely understandable and point taken from both parts, I haven’t seen a trade chat for years (/leave 2) due to playing on Kazzak horde primarily.
Thanks for the responses.

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If only I had a euro for each time that I said that these sets need to return somehow for the sake of transmog collection and completion.
They are not prestigious rewards but participation trophies.

Almost all the people who ever had them are even sick of them now and they stopped using them. I have only seen a couple of people on these forums have them moged on and none ingame for a long time.

Stop sitting on mogs people.

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I dont agree on this sentiment, especially since a lot of players earned them on their ‘‘own power’’ vs the ones that bought said sets.

I managed to run all challenge modes on 4 different tank classes and am still very happy with the sets i earned and the 4 different mounts.

But the idea that most people bought them via boosts is wrong in my eyes.
Wasnt until late 5.4 that it was actually possible to 4 man timed runs and bring 1 player along to be boosted.

The amount of gold required for said boost was around 250-400k for all 9 dungeons if i remember correctly.
Which was a huge sum of gold back then. And luckily i was able to run some boost runs and make some nice gold with it.

The statement made by the OP is actually one i do share.
Gladiator mounts also show how proficient you were at playing whatever class during whatever arena season. (which varied per season / per class)

Making them account wide feels a bit weird.

Because essentially, you are showing that you are a capable pvper and you can ride your Gladiator mount on a warlock you boosted 10 mins ago.
The warlock didnt ‘‘earn’’ the right to ride said gladiator mount since it didnt participate in arena yet.

Account wide gladiator mounts are a ‘‘reward’’ for your efforts put in during any of the arena seasons and will show other people: ow, this guy played back in Season 3 and earned a gladiator mount.

Unlocking MoP Challenge mode sets aslong as you earned the Gold achievements for all dungeons will show: Ow, this player participated in CMs back in MoP and he earned his class armor set.

Both are visual rewards to show off your accomplishments.

How is earning a gladiator mount on any given class to then use on any given class different than earning the challenge mode transmog gear on any given class to then use it on any given class?

Also, you are right in saying Gladiator mounts are something you can earn in the future. Although they are all unique in terms of their respective design and look.
The same is true for the armor sets that were only earnable for a given period.

Gladiator mounts are earned in even a shorter span of time.
3/4 arena seasons per expansion.
Challenge mode armor was something to be earned for the whole duration of the expansion.
Which already lowered the value if you earned said armor set at the end of the xpac vs early on. Since it was simply easier later on with more sockets etc.

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All the more reason to not see them less as some hardcore achievement that people should feel the need to gatekeep

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Your argument is flawed. You are comparing a PvP Elite Mount to MoP’s Challenge mode transmog sets for all the classes. You want an equal comparison. How about MoP’s Challenge mode mounts, they are account-wide.

Mop’s Challenge mode transmog sets are similar to MoP’s Elite PvP set, earning it for one class didn’t automatically give you access to another class’ Elite set.

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Challenge Mode sets were already made available again in Legion class halls.

But I assume those are not good enough for you. You want that exact colouring of the original Challenge Mode sets.

It’s basic human nature of wanting what you can’t have, until you have it, then you don’t want it.

It’s like the Zul’Aman bear recolour in Cata’s dungeon version of ZA. There were many calls for them to bring that mount back.
Now everybody has it. Nobody uses it.

Also I am against BMAH, look at the tier 3 sets. Do you ever see anyone in those and think “cool, they ran original Naxx before it was removed in WoTLK”? No. Instead you think “eh, they have a lot of gold”.

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So, as said in the original post the only people that will be strictly against it being a cross account unlock are the people that had never unlocked/played at the time of this.

As for the gladiator mounts this is a much for prestigious achievement than any dungeon set could ever be so to even compare the 2 makes no sense. Also the pvp elite sets should also be unlocked cross-account if you achieved 2k in a season, I suppose it all ties in together.

I just personally want blizzard to address this and just give clarification as transmog is a rather large part of the game and having a set like this on one character and not the other feels just wrong.

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They are not just simply recolours though. They are a worse design baseline. They are different. The druid set shoulders and helm looks different and not in a good way.
You cannot compare them or say we have recolours for the original. We dont.

But i do disagree with OP. What you didnt work for, you shouldnt get. Same thing as with artifact appearences some ppl worked for them to get it on all specs. MoP ppl probably worked on many alts just to get them too. Sadly i wasnt playing mop so i missed them.

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If you have two monks on connected accounts and one has it and the other doesn’t that seems kinda silly.

Anything more than that (Cross class, or bringing them back) is just a hard no.

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All the challenge content that’s been removed mop, wods, Legion mage tower… I don’t know why they removed them, some people say its because its a reward for playing the relevant expansion.

But my argument is a lot of people from those expansions have up and left the game, while players who continue to support this game, either they come to the party late, or never got chance to do the challenges have no access to these things.

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Exactly, I got boosted for mine. I didn’t have 4 friends that where capable of doing them with me, So I took the boosting route like many others as I didn’t want to lose out on it.

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I think we share exactly the same sentiment with regards to the points raised in the original post.

How is earning a gladiator mount on any given class to then use on any given class different than earning the challenge mode transmog gear on any given class to then use it on any given class?

It theory, it isn’t. And as you correctly stated:

Both are visual rewards to show off your accomplishments.

But again, for me, it boils down to the fact that one piece of content is still obtainable, whereas the other one isn’t.

You could then make two arguments, from a standpoint of fairness, imo.

  1. Reintroduce Challenge Mode Dungeons into the game somehow, and allow players another go at obtaining the rewards on the class of their choice.

  2. Revert the change of making Gladiator Mounts account-wide, and keep things they way they’ve always been; mounts are only usable to classes that earned them.

Now, in the grand scheme of things, I don’t suppose neither of these arguments couldn’t be justified.

In a dream scenario, you could allow the reintroduction of Challenge Mode Dungeons, AND introduce the account-wide Gladiator mounts, but I don’t suppose that is going to happen any time soon.

And that’s where we go back to my original point about not rewarding something to someone who did not earn it. It just wouldn’t feel ‘fair’.

But you did raise some excellent points, it certainly remains a head-scratcher!

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But this literally goes for any cosmetic reward.
All the way back in vanilla, you could buy tier 2.5 for a huge sum of gold.

Nowadays, you can buy boosts for:

  • M 15s all in time
  • ahead of the curve
  • certain arena rating
  • mythic raid mounts
  • mythic raid clears or a single item you want / need.

Point is, everything is being sold nowadays for gold.

Using that as a reason to be against a change in how cosmetic rewards are handled is a bit flawed imo.

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I got the CM’s done on my Shaman, Mage and Death Knight. Perhaps Blizzard could introduce it so you get the CM sets of that armour type? For example: Mage = Warlock.

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if they let you use CM sets you didnt earn I’d like to get a chance to unlock them as well. I dont see why you would be eligible for a class set you did not unlock and I am not.

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One tiny first world problem, is they look THAT good (imo) that it’s impossible to transmog to anything else on my characters who have the class CM set.

:frowning:

Idk, you didn’t earn the set on that class. So I don’t understand why you’d be entitled to them.

Example being, doing Gold CMs at the beginning of MoP as a MW Monk was a ton lot harder than as a Restoration Druid.

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i would like to see the sets being added to BMAH, just like the t3 were.
back in the day, they were prestigious and challenging to get get, MoP sets and similar, adding them to the BMAH would hurt no one with some common sense i guess.