Mana Tea just needs to be
And we’d be golden.
Failing that, Mana Tea does what Lucid Dream did, Spirit of the Crane at least 3x more mana returned, and Lifecycles… eh? Just, like… more of what it does? But if we had 2 strong mana talents, then it would be reasonable to overlook the third. Problem is our best mana talent is half as good as Innervate. Hard to be enthusiastic, really.
I rather have it completely separate from stats for it be most valuable. If you’re not lucky with getting crit gear or playing content where crit is not the best stat it would basically be less useful or even useless to a degree.
It would be better to have a guaranteed spell that gives you back x% amount of mana. Even if it’s cooldown is 3~ minutes it would be a big deal.
The problem with coupling it with talents or already existing spells is that it would basically lock you into having to pick those talents. However, they could make Expel Harm more useful if damage received is returned as mana (or a percentage of it).
Which is why I think Mana Tea should be baseline 
That particular talent row just needs to be re-considered entirely, since probably 95% of monks choose MT anyway.
Expel Harm is in its own special little world. I don’t think it’s even on my bar. I was all for un-pruning, but what we wanted was some good skills, not some rubbish that nobody uses.
I’ve been thinking a lot how this could have happened. I think it’s either:
they thought we have too high output and decided to nerf it by taking away our mana. or MW is balanced, but for much later in the expansion with the appropriate set bonuses and multiple legendaries.
at this point I’m rerolling my main to druid (it’s way more fun being able to actually use my spells rather than be like “eh…do I really, REALLY wanna waste mana on casting this? maybe he’ll just use some self heal”)
I would appreciate some comment from blizz somewhere like what is their stance on this? do they think people just need to “figure out” the class, or are they happy with balancing? anything?
Dont reroll to druid man, if you want pve go Resto shaman or holy palad, if want pvp go rshaman, or hpala or Disc priest. Personally i reroll to Holy Paladin 4 days ago. im really happy with it. away from that clown spec of mistweaver.
I don’t get it … done several runs with mw monks … they just simply good, keep mana totem under their behind (most groups run with double sham) and they heal the stars.
Little side note … don’t roll resto sham … blizz made a mistake , after aaages of being ignored, bottom ,auto declined for m+ , shams are a good, for now. First nerf already done after 3!! days , compleetly ignoring … the more gear/knowledge people get, the less we heal … and less … and less … and … bench.
Fun detected … fun removed 
the problem isn’t our healing output but the fact that we go oom in tyrannical +10 bosses at 50%, have to drink after literally every pack and usually need special setups involving innervate to function properly. I’ve spent the past 2 weeks crawling through every video and stream involving mw with +10-15 keys and they all struggled and all agreed it’s way underpowered compared to others.
as for the shaman nerf, it’s pretty much irrelevant
PvP input:
*Cocoon usable when stunned
Endurance conduit?
Or give mw the brewmaster pvp talent “Nimble Brew”
*Buff yulon (must be the worst 3 min cd ever in the game)
*Tweak (reduce) mana cost of heals
*Cancelaura roll
We have requested this for over two months now (since pre patch in october)
Couldn’t agree more. just look at the stats of the pros: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/state-of-mistweaver-pvp-shadowlands-week-1/773404
bump coz we are still whack. Still no change on jan 4 hotfix.
bumping as well, like…gg trying to get a group for anything serious 
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