Mistweaver Monks, the worst healers in PVP & PVE

Classes Monk
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In terms of pve, we have mana issues, weak aoe healing. In heroic castle of nathria boss dies and we have 0% mana after 2x innervates and mana pot in comparison with the other healers that fight ends and they still have 40-50%.

In terms of PVP, Mistweavers are a circus, getting 1 shot from everybody, our abilities provide us 0 reaction time, 1 small mistake and its punishable by death. Even if you play it perfect, once you run out of cooldowns you are a dead meat.

Activision - Blizzard, other than your call of duty , please focus a bit on this class, we are paying you as well.

Our patience wont last for ever.

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Thats literaly nearly every class that does that doenst have a form of immune to dmg


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Feel free to repost this if you want.
I have a couple of changes that would make MW better.

  1. Make mana tea restore mana instead. Either by accumulating mana tea charges over a fight like how it used to work, or by something new like ‘mana tea restores all the mana you have spent over the last 10 seconds’. Also it should be baseline, it doesn’t do enough for our mana issues the way it is.
  2. Give us some raid utility. The obvious choice is to allow us to cast dampen harm and diffuse magic on other targets. Or even maybe make it so revival does something like give a short damage reduction/halts damage over time effects.
    That’s my opinion, anyway.
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It would make mw op.

Or learn to use it instead.

Absolutly OP.

Also op.

Theres a conduit for revival to add an additional hot.

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I’m tired of people saying stuff like this.

Even if HPS was equal (which it isn’t) we have really bad utility.
At the same amount of gear shamans will outheal us, druids will outheal us, paladins will outheal us, priests will outheal us. They will also do more damage.

Look (not including healing cooldowns):
Shamans - Bloodlust, Interrupts, Tremor, Capacitator, Earth Ele, Purge, Hex, Movementspeed (optional), Bress(optional), manatotem, reincartation, link.
Druids - Combat Ress, Typhoon, Entangling Roots, Cyclone, Ursols Vortex, Hibernate, Bash, Movementspeed buff, mark of the wild.
Paladins - Blessing of Freedom, Sacrifice, Protection, Divine shield(on here because it can be used to soak/bypass mechanics), Auras, Repentace or Blinding Light, Singletarget stun.
Priests - Mass Dispell, aoe fear, fade, purify, Leap of faith, mindcontrol, shackleundead, shining force, power infusion, mind soothe, %5 Stamina.

VS: RoP, Mystic Touch, Paralysis, Leg Sweep.

Notice how short our list is?

According to you, every healer that isn’t a monk is OP.

Mana is a problem in mythic +. Even with the pridefull buffs after +10s im sure the spec that has to drink the most is MW. Yeah in raids druids can innervate us, but every M+ run doesn’t have a druid. People still saying you should use your mana more effectively. Guess what, for monks using your mana effectively isn’t always up to you. People need to be in the healing spells cleave ranges which sometimes doesn’t happen in pugs. Teachings of the Ancient Monastery does not do smart healing. I was excited when I was first using it but when people don’t care where they are standing you have to stop dpsing and heal them. So I switched to tear of morning, which again relies on people being near each other.

AAAND our covenant abilities have less impact then other classes. On my holy paladin I can get 5 glimmer buffs out instantly and on my monk I have a cool looking tree that does 1.5-2.5k healing and dmg. Yay! I picked it because I like the ardenweald theme but maybe I’ll change that.

Check the leaderboards(logs) for Mythic Raids, first 100 M+ runs(raider io) and how many mw healers are above 2200 rating and think
 We have hps which can be competitive(but will probably happen because the monk is good/the other healers are new or something), *!?% utility, poor mana, low damage and meh covenant abilities.

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Ofc mw is bad atm. I am tired of ppl with 0 rated exp suggesting absolute crap.

Judging by exp they would still fail with the obvious op stuff they want.

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I can’t believe my suggestions got you THIS angry.
Like calm down man. I do PvE and not rated PvP. Suggest your own stuff if you want.
Also, being able to cast single target damage reductions would not be OP. Disc has done it for years and spirit link and PW:barrier are just straight up better than the things I suggested. The only thing I suggested that could be OP is the revival buff.

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I dont understand what is your problem and you are attacking people suggesting some better ideas than Activision’s.

Why would the innervate be stronger than the mana tea. Our spells are already expensive and the tea reduce them at 50% forcing us to spam like crazy when we are about to blast some healing as a result to be a dead end for our mana anyway, whilst the druid has 0 cost. Rshamans have a mana regeneration.

If you are one of those that will tell me play more efficient with your mana, dude i was a gladiator in BFA check my achivements and also my current logs in Heroic Castle of Nathria.

Also our cocoon is like dpriest power word shield. If you feel okay with the mw monk at the 1700 that you are at, this is the wrong post you came to argue.

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Same.

MW is bad atm - still the Things sugested here are crap. I dont have to suggest anything.

Since you started the epen competition here - looks like im currently higher rated.

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hahaha, i was expecting that to be honest, i have nothing to compete with you, i played some games, and i dont like to be the underdog / clown in the arenas, so i just quitted and here i am in the forums crying for my class.

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Mw monks oom so easily and if u look at the arena ratings mw monks are the worst healer class to play atm

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Completely agree. Especially in PvP. I am doing fine in PvE but you’re pretty much dead next dr stun after trinket as MW if you don’t pre FB/cacoon (and even then you’re a goner if you dont get peels. I wish we could use FB/cacoon in CC and stack multiple dots on a single target.

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I agree, additionally, cocoon is a joke, everybody ignores it and get through it like its nothing, i am pretty sure Disc priest shield with rupture absorbs more than the cocoon joke that we have.

Man this is so frustrating.

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I apologize in advance for my English, but now the MW is like some kind of joke.
Because if you take in comparison with the paladin, (which to some extent is analogous to the monk in class), then he will be better in all aspects. He has damage, heal, saves, but what does the monk have now? What did he have before?
There is not even a casting interruptions. In BFA, the problems of the monk were solved with the help of gear, essences, but why didn’t they change anything in the SL? All those class problems that exist and have not been solved in any way! And as soon as they try to solve these problems, they are then cut, fixed. And what do we get in the end? Nothing.

And everyone who plays or would like to play in this class is unhappy this class. Because it’s hard for him in the keys, just like in the raids. While there are other classes of healers, for which the doors are open both in raids and in keys, it is easier for them. This is not a balance when there are other healing classes that do not run out of mana as quickly in the raid as the monk.
Why then does this class exist?
During this time, what has passed since the start of the SL, the monk only got the statue repaired, why do the developers point-blank don’t want to see the problems of this class? He needs a rework and not that

  • we added something and then removed it.

Because then this class will never change and will remain in the same place as now.

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I am responsible for all of this. As soon as Blizz heard I was going to try and main Mistweaver in Shadowlands they nerfed it to hell. I am sorry. Next expansion I will play something else.

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You guys were good in arenas in 8.3, so it’s time for you to be bottom-tier I guess. I hecking despise these times when the previous system of borrowed power is ripped away to be replaced by another one, showing off how glaringly poor the core design of many specs is.

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MW wasn’t good in 8.3. If good is considered to be top tier then we were far from it. Nothing has changed we are just worse and you have Hpala’s/Discs/Shammy as a majority on the ladders. Only difference is rdruid isn’t as good.

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bump coz we are still awfully equipped for PvP/PvE and no hotfix.

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You can say about Azerite Essences from BFA whatever you want but Memory of Lucid Dreams is literally the solution to Monk mana problems.

If you glare over about any log where the boss doesn’t die within 2 minutes, you’ll notice the Mistweaver’s mana going down real quick and have close to nothing left at the end of the encounter regardless of Mana Tea / Mana Potions etc
 Other healer classes would still have 30-60% mana left and it becomes even more fun if they use Innervates or other mana restoration abilities on themselves rather than on the MW. Those classes not only have more mana left but outheal the MW as well.

Mistweaver brings next to zero utility to the fights and is supposedly an HPS healer but even in that role it falls behind other classes. Considering how early we are in this tier, going full on DPS as Mistweaver isn’t an option either as there’s a lot of damage going out.

Paladin / Druid / Shaman / Priest is probably the best combination of healers you can have at the moment, Mistweaver is just the pick if you have nothing else. Even if Mistweaver is on par or slightly better than Paladin in regards to HPS it’s a better choice to take Paladin because of utility.

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they should give mw celestial fortune like bm chance equal to crit% to makes spells cost less mana :stuck_out_tongue: