MoP and WoD are looking better than the last expansions

Dunno, I like MoP and will no doubt go back to that when Classic version comes out. For me Dragonflight was unplayable due to UI changes (Blizz, you need to work more on font sizes with slider bars in accessibility here) but since I finally found a addon for that which does it somewhat, trying to play this expansion now so not sure if I like it or not yet.

Been fine, played other games. Honestly its been great to move from one to another just to keep burnout which may have affected overall personal opinions on expansions anyways.

You’re going to have one expansion you really love anyways and that’s okay. For me, that was MoP. WoLK and Battle for Azeroth being close second.

Now if only we could get remastered versions of older expansions with the new style of cutscenes and more of them, that would be nice as that department has gotten better over the years.

I’m with you on MOP. I really enjoyed it. I didn’t really run out of content in MOP even though I only really played 2 characters at end game.
I think it was generally well recieved at the time although as always there were some complaints (there always will be some). Mostly around too many Dailies and have them gated behind other factions’ rep. They could have tweaked this easily, instead they just removed Dailies.

WoD had good leveling, nice zones, good music but then you hit max level and then the fun ran out for a lot of players.
This is where the “chores” approach started. When you logged in you had to check your mission table(s), check your buildings for daily cooldowns, clear your mine, clear your garden, check Inn for dungeon quests, do your Stables / Lumbermill / [insert building] tasks (trapping beasts, collecting wood or whatever).
You could decide to go do some rep for a particular faction as they didn’t have dailies anymore, you had to check your Scouting Map in your Town Hall and that would send you to a Fill-the-Bar type area somewhere in the world (later they added missives to give players some agency over their activities).
The Drought didn’t come later like in MOP, it was more-or-less there when you dinged 100.

Of course they compounded this issue by trying to remove flying from the game.
That’s when I decided I’d take a break from wow (last time I’ve done so).

WoD did a lot right, but it did a lot wrong too.

It had a long content drought and the patches often brought very little. I don’t think anyone can forget The SELFIE cam and Twitter integration patch.

However the story etc, I really enjoyed and is still one of my favourites. The raids were really good too.

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Every person that says Wod wasn’t that bad clearly didn’t play it

The leveling experience is not the expansion. You missed those expansions. They aren’t happening anymore for you to tell how they went.

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I honestly believe there is no way to truly an old expansion as it was back in the day.

You can have fond memories ofc and you can have preferred routes when levelling alts.

I actually think that therein lies WoWs problem, it has huge well designed worlds that feel barren and pointless, even the rep grinds, mounts and such are so bloated now.

Feels it’s really time to start a leaf from GW2’s books. Even the older MMO (albeit the only active place for it) I am playing currently has made it so all the ‘old zones’ have point and reason to venture to them.

MoP was great, the map were interesting, questing was fun (a bit too much on the hippie side but still fun), the story linked to it was good while not being crazy.

WoD was as said “empty” once your reached max lvl, the zones were ok but limited from the start (a lot of people were expecting at least the same zones as outland), Tanaan jungle was locked at first, garrison was a new concept which killed the economy for a while, all in all more bad things than good, it made me quit for 8 years.

I played it from the beginning to the end, and I liked it, even with the flaws.

I think Vanilla was awful :face_with_diagonal_mouth: no really I’m not joking… very limited races, not much of a story if not for very long text quests, dungeons were long and boring, raids with 40 people were confusing, walking or riding a slow mount.

What we have now? Fantastic cinematic, lots of races, M+, scaling raids, dynamic flying… I mean, night and day… night and day!!!

Narratievly (ignoring the last major patch).

All WoD needed was a small line that said that whatever Kairoz did to remake Draenor, screwed over the bronze flight in such a way that nothing like it could happen in our life-time. There the biggest plot issue (outside of time-travel in general) was resolved.

It all boils down to personal experience and subjectivity.
I returned to WoW during WoD and had a blast. I didn’t experience a huge lack of content like many players did, because I had just returned after not playing for 2 expansions so I had loads to do, see and discover. Many things had changed since the end of WotLK.

So WoD for me personally doesn’t rank very low. Had I been there from the start of it and more involved in what the devs promised and whatnot, I would probably have been more disappointed with it, but that simply wasn’t my experience.

TBC is a good example. For a lot of people that is one of the better expansions, but to me it’s flat out the worst. I hated that expansion; from the ugly depressing zones (except for Nagrand, but that was tainted by the big PvP part which I hated) to the almost non existent content for non-raiders. There was rep grinding and that was pretty much it.

Absolute worst expansion imo. Even worse than Shadowlands, because at least in Shadowlands I had quite a lot of content to do; even though I didn’t like being in those zones and I loathed Torghast and the Maw and the overal drab and depressing aesthetic everywhere. Zereth Mortis was to bring some change to that aesthetic, but it was even worse… ‘digital creatures’? Really? In WoW? Oh space robots program all of life in the universe? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Horrible horrible lore imo.

As for MoP: I didn’t experience it when it was current, but I played through all of it that was there during WoD’s time. Every questline I could find and I loved it. The story made sense and flowed; even after the fact (a lesson the devs could learn with DF because that ‘flow’ is a mess). And I absolutely loved the majority of the zones (with only the Dread Wastes not being my thing) and the aesthetic of everything.

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It’s definetly subjective, not arguing that. I’m just saying that it’s very often listed as one of the worst expansions, and the loss of players during that time also indicates that(well, at least the first 6 months). After that they stopped reporting player subscriptions, as they didn’t see it as relevant anymore(I guess player subs was mostly of interest to the players to rant about expansions anyways).

For me WoD had no content since I didn’t raid or do dungeons, and the world was a giant sandbox. The only zone I enjoyed was Shadowmoon Valley. Gorgrond was the worst, with forced pathing very similar to what Aion had back in the days. And they wanted to never add flying. To me flying is super important for immersion, so when that was announced, and later with a pathfinder, I cancelled my subscription and didn’t return until right before the Legion pre patch. I also find orc and a lot of human lore extremely boring, and WoD’s main story point was orcs. That didn’t really help my impression of the expansion. I also hate mission tables, because I have to grind currencies to get anything done, and I cannot repeat simple tasks for longer than 2-3 weeks it seems, because at that point every fiber in my body says “I cannot do this anymore”, and I stop. So yes, mission tables are quite destructive to my personal progress, and WoD was also built a lot around exactly that, for non raiders.

I have TBC and Legion as my all time favourite expansions. I raided during both of these, hated leveling during TBC(which is very oposite of how I have felt about it in later years), so I was just progressing my character around the endgame content, which I felt there were plenty of. Wasn’t a fan of daily quests then either, but I somehow managed to do it well enough, and loved the server progress on the isle where the Sunwell is.

I had my second child shortly after MoP release, so MoP I barely played, but I did enjoy the leveling content. I can see that it might have been a fun expansion for people, but I will say… I never understood the excitement over the Timeless Isles. It’s possibly the most soulless engame content I have ever done, but I obviously didn’t have that legendary cape which I know blocked me from some content there, I just don’t know how much. I have a tried a few times to go bac there to progress some of the achievements there, but I just get bored, and don’t find the isle any nice looking either. It doesn’t help that I cannot fly there, because that takes away a lot of the immersion.

I guess I have concluded that I like progressing story(non repeatable quests), that I am able to fly(I absolutely adore dragonflying - it’s a huge upgrade), zones with a lot of detail and/or elevation(but I have to be able to fly), and a world that is connected to the rest of the world(one of my gripes with SL was that all the zones were sepeated by portals… they had no connection and it felt like I went from one sandbox to the other) and mogging. I also love raiding, but it’s out of reach for a while now. With all the drama connected to Mythic+ I’d love mythic+ too, but over time it’s just been increasingly negative socially. It causes a lot of tension between players, and I don’t want to be part of that anymore. I just can’t handle it. Oh, and I like “checklists” that I can tick off and never worry about again(which probably explains why I hate repetative tasks being forced to be able to progress a story, or garrison, or whatever else that builds my character).

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Oh I feel you. I couldn’t handle it anymore quite early on. It was soooo repetative, and it didn’t take long until I reliased it was just more of the same, and more of the same, and more of the same again.

The Maw was basicly a currency grinding zone, with a penalty. It’s pretty obvious I had no motivation to keep doing that. I left SL a few months in, didn’t return until more than a year later. Timeline a bit blurry for me! I did like the Revendreth storyline though!

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That is because the expansions just maybe, are getting worse each time?

I don’t think so, The current expansion is always the worst for sure.
But on reflection some improve with a little distance.

Even Legion, Wrath and MOP got a lot of criticism when they were current but are now generally well regarded.
WoD and BFA get some fond discussions now which would have been thought impossible when they were current.
In 5 or 6 years Shadowlands will garner some fond recollections on here no doubt.

Yep, atleast for me.

I miss Shadowlands, not because it was good. I miss it because Dragonflight is even worse.
And the same will happen with Dragonflight when the next Addon continues the path in exactly the same way.

It really feels like that.
The Story and even the side quests are boring and awful, back then i had fun reading all of them.
Same with the World, maybe it’s the new graphics but it doesn’t catch me at all.

MoP will always haunt me for not doing Ahead of the curve for the mount and Challenge dungeons for the Phoenix Mounts :sob: While i was taking a long break from WoW. WOD will always be hated because we only got 1 major patch in that expansion and most of Tanaan Jungle was already done when expansion launched. That was almost 2 years without any major content except for 1 major patch. I did however like the easy gold from Garrisons.

MoP was such a good expansion and it got so much undeserved flak for the ‘‘le kung fu panda’’ thing

If it didn’t have the silly panda theme it would probably be held in higher regard than wrath even, SOO was a long content drought but everything from the questing, class design, challenge modes, raids, pvp, daily hubs, pretty much everyone like everything

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I wasnt around for mists but i wish i was.

Its got some of the best zones and some of the best questing.
I love levelling through it and doing the reps there.
Plus it added the class i play as.

I hope classic mists happens as thats the only expansion that ive not played but wish i had.