It’s trivial anyway. Basically a non issue
Frost fire talador Nagrand and shadow moon are pretty good
Overhated.
People have been claiming the game is dying and expansions are terrible since TBC.
MoP felt like the last expansion where terrain was designed to be terrain, rather than to get in your way and slow you down until you unlocked flying…
Although I do like the design of the dragon isles, I am glad we never had the “no flying” phase. It would have been horrible.
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This is one reason why the players revolted over the removal of Flying WoD was the beginning of maze like terrain (although not the worst example of such). Had they announced this in MOP they might just have gotten away with it.
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I find MoP is actually more immersive without flying and levelled an alt that way a while back.
Sure it takes longer to get around while levelling, but nothing is placed purely with the goal of making you travel further than necessary. Terrain is reasonably logical, it has terrestrial layouts, and while elevation is heavily exaggerated, most of the time that’s for aesthetic rather than inconvenience.
Roads, for the most part, exist along the routes you’re trying to travel and are largely clear of annoyances - unlike BfA where the waterstrider became infamous because the rivers were easier to get around on than the roads.
On the whole, MoP just had really nice environmental design, visual and musical, paired with pleasing towns and quest hubs. I wish Blizzard would skip through Cataclysm classic and go straight to Pandaria - with a revised patch cadence and the QoL from the end available at the start. Unfortunately they seem to prefer just ending the cycle here, because nobody is going to be there at the end of Cataclysm. Idk why we need to learn this lesson for a second time, but here we are.
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That would be unfortunate as I think both MoP and Legion are such great candidates for it.
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The only zone I found somewhat bothersome was Dreas Wastes but I dinged 90 not long after getting there and so was able to get flying to complete that zone.
The music of MOP was great. It’s rare that I’ve even noticed a lot of it since. SL was particularly meh musically.
Cata Classic should probably be done as quickly as possible. I assume most players do Classic to experience the raids as intended. As all the stories and zone (expect Vanilla) are still available.
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My best leveling experiences came while playing Cata, Mop & WoD… then lost interest once BoF, Shadow and now DF… I have zero interest in the last three expns
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I haven’t played an expansion that I hated in WoW. I started in BfA and thought it was great then, and I still look back on it positively now. Shadowlands was probably my least favourite so far but I still played and I still found some positives there, and DF has really laid the foundation for me so I’m looking forward to what comes next.
I have found the story to be weak in DF but at the same time, we got Iridikron and I’ve been hoping for a villain like that since I started back in BfA. I missed out on Gul’dan, sadly, and always wanted to be involved when a villain that badass is current, so Iridikron really works for me.
Why do people keep repeating the same stuff over and over again? It doesn’t make those statements true. BfA was awful but then shockingly they managed to release even worse expansion. You’ve said “DF good cos no chores” probably 4733 times but it still doesn’t make DF good. They improved certain aspects of the game. Trading post, making renowns optional, talent trees but y’know… you can wrap doodoo in a shiny paper and it’s still a doodoo :> Core gameplay (raiding, m+, boring items with boring stats) and story are still awful.
I have to find balance, if there is enough I enjoy I play, I don’t think they can ever please everyone or make it perfect.
I did take a long break during Cataclysm. I did not get on with the changes they made to Ret and that didn’t seem to improve until late on in the expansion (according to friends). I tried a couple of other classes but I just wasn’t enjoying the game any more.
Ofc it’s true. That doesn’t mean my personal opinion on expansions has changed (or yours for that matter). I disliked Cata the most and my opinion on that has never changed. There are aspects of other expansions I disliked and my opinion on those has not changed. However this isn’t about my personal opinion, it’s about a general consensus we see with expansions.
People hated on WoD, then later we started seeing claims that WoD wasn’t so bad. People hated on BfA and later you started seeing people say it wasn’t so bad. It’s just a pattern.
I personally didn’t hate WoD. I thought it had some fairly bad content droughts but as far as game play and raids went I had a blast.
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Yeah, I’ve just taken a huge break. I think DF is a good expansion and I never found myself disliking it, but I have to take huge breaks sometimes before I get the bug again. I think I haven’t played for 3 or 4 months prior to this week! I’m also an endgame raider in Destiny and I think I’ve been off that all together for about 2 months.
Breaks are very necessary - I find that to be what allows me to keep coming back and be invested long-term.
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To be honest im totally didnt enjoyed wod but… I really like Pandaria… Epic zones and awesome soundtrack. Sometime im listening mop soundtrack on yt. Masterpiece.
Classic in general is rushed ever since TBC Classic (which only ran for a little over 1(!) year before we got wrath prepatch. Wrath will be 1y and a few months and I bet cata will be the same.
Only because Blizzard decided to murder wod. It had potential to be the greatest expansion we’ve ever had with the best raids, most alt friendly, decent pvp and great zones but blizzard chose to put their focus on legion instead.
Again, I enjoyed bfa zones and dungeons. The main issues were gatekeeping and stupid decisions like with every patch we had to grind the same azerite traits we already had in previous patch, but this time they required higher neck level. Rng corruptions, essences weren’t account wide, patch cycles were slow. And most improtantly SL was even worse than bfa. Covenants were awful at launch, korthia has to be the worst zone in world of warcraft, making torghast a weekly chore was also a bad idea, gold sink in a form of legendary items. It doesn’t matter what remaining few people that still play this game and use this forum say. Tons of guilds were killed by bfa and SL and those people didn’t come back for DF as it is more of the same.
They also seemed to run out of time to get stuff done in advance. Like our capital hubs weren’t meant to be on Ashran.
I agree with most of your points. I’ve also made no secret of my dislike of AP farming, I just consider all that make you play metrics but people all feel differently. Some like it. I did like Korthia itself but I appreciate others didn’t like that it was basically compulsory content for raiders.
It does look like we will see a more account wide approach going forward.
And most importantly in bfa most of my friends were still playing. Even when game was bad we’d do world quest tours around bfa zones, raids were fun cos of the atmosphere so I’d assume a lot of people might still feel nostalgic about bfa cos it’s the last time they had fun in wow. My guild died after castle nathria and my enjoyment went downhill super quick afterwards.
I loved the horde garrison, despite it being hated on by 90% of the people. More like Blood Elves complaining they couldn’t sit in their fancy dancy castles.
I do however, think it was rushed, and should’ve provided more freedom. If an Alliance warrior wanted a more savage look to his pristine kingdom, he should’ve been allowed to do so, and if a Horde wanted to have more class, he or she should’ve been allowed to do so.
Still the fishing cavern is one of the coziest places, sometimes I log into retail to walk around my garrison. The shipyard was also awesome, but could’ve been much, much more.
I do not like MoP. I played it, the only cool parts were the Yaungol and the Mogu. I do not fancy the bugs, and Pandaren shouldn’t have been made playable. Their starting zone should’ve been the monk’s starting zone.
Throne of Thunder was awesome though, freaking dinosaurs.