Who burry them so deep in order to be polite to everyone they might go mad one day, surrender to forum madness, go full team nzoth and break CoC of some poster like OP
Doesnāt matter if itās joke or not. Throwing insults like that is on the same level as calling everyone clown all the time, naming everything you donāt like āgarbageā or calling your teammates āapesā.
Lately I canāt stand the mvpās. They derail every thread with gifs and pictures and make fun of everything, if anything they are annoying af. They should be helpful but instead they act as if they always needed to be heard and post over and over when there really is no need.
I donāt agree on the whole mental problem thing, but this looks familiar to me.
It actually wasnāt aimed at Ussrainblood but since it was written under my response to his/her post you assumed that Iām accusing him/her. Well, Iām not.
Is this opinion based on your incorrect assumption that I accuse Ussrainblood of alt posting? it kinds sounds like it is.
Except its one thing to think that something is happening and something else if itās really happening. Moderator already decided that Iām not breaking CoC and invalidated the reports and yet people keep coming and making claims that Iām attacking someone when Iām not. People these days tend to exaggerate and play the victim card because itās easier to āwinā this way.
For example, yesterday one guy kept responding to my posts and arguing with me while completely missing the point, trolling with silly jokes as a response to my argument or changing the subject just to avoid admitting that he has nothing substantial to say in the discussion. I pointed out that heās just spamming and trolling and that he doesnāt bring anything constructive to the discussion and he immediately accused me of targeting him, harassment, and threatened me with report.
He was the one who came to me to talk and yet in his opinion I was the one who target and harass him
What is happening on this forum is sometimes just pure madness and absurdity.
Well, I already had before people alt posting in my thread (they not only got caught doing it but also admitted to who they are) just to derail it because they were hell-bent on proving that Iām this bad person who does all the bad things they think I do. Iāve also had people come to my thread and straight-up insult me simply because they didnāt agree with me.
Just because someone doesnāt like how I said something it doesnāt mean I did something wrong.
Yes, it does. Context is everything and there is a massive difference between saying something as a joke and saying something to simply describe someone or something.
Dastra accused me of using mental health to make jokes and I didnāt do any jokes about someone else mental health.
Except those werenāt insults and the moderator already made the decision that I didnāt break CoC so stop exaggerating and taking my words out of the contents to accuse me of something which I didnāt do.
Yep, Iāve seen this happen way too many times. Sometimes even when MVP didnāt start offtopic in given thread they still choose to join the destruction and behave like trolls.
Ok
No it is based on what Iāve observed you saying in this thread.
Funny that you only partially quote me hereā¦
The simple point was that people came in and read you thread and believed you crossed a line, enough people thought that to (5 or more) to hide your post. The moderators actions beyond that are not really the issue it the fact you seem to think you are being targetted when you in actual fact you chose to use words that bothered enough people (5 or more) to flag you amd hide the post.
You are accusing people of alt posting then getting defensive about false accusations against you when actually no one made a false accusation they just thought what you said was inappropriate and needed moderator attention.
Also quite ironic you talk about some guy yesterday wilfully missing the pointā¦
However, I get an inkling where this is going so unless you can show where the MVP acted inappropriately Iām gonna walk away now.
Have fun with your next overly defensive reply.
I really donāt know the specifics of how a flagged post is moderated, just information I have seen from other posts which made me believe that if a post receives a number of flags (not sure of specific number) then it is automatically hidden, the Moderators will then review said post. If only 1 person flags, I donāt know if the same review is carried out, maybe it is but not as quickly, I really canāt say for sure.
Do MVPās get special treatment due to their forum status? Again I donāt know for certain, maybe they get a verbal slap on the wrist rather than a silence or ban, we can speculate on this forever, but nobody other than the Mods and MVPās will know for sure What I will say though is if MVPās were continuously showing such bad behaviour, would there not be numerous posts about this? You have to remember that most posters, you and me included, would soon be āready to battleā if this was the case. I can only say again I havenāt seen this. Have I seen posts from an MVP I dislike or disagree with, of course I have, but were they toxic or inflammatory, sorry I have to be honest and say I havenāt seen that.
I did see that your opening post was hidden and I am glad it was reviewed and the Moderator did removed the reports. It is a pet hate of mine on the forums when people flag posts because they donāt like the content of the post, rather than if it broke any rules. But if we look at this and think of how the Moderator acted, then they didnāt show bias for MVPās, your opening post was restored.
I canāt say for certain, as I said earlier I am not sure what happens if a post receives a single flag, I would hope that they look at all flagged posts to be consistent and fair.
You are right it isnāt the first time we have seen special treatment to users with special status, we have seen that with TL3 allocation. Do MVPās get special treatment? I really donāt know for sure, maybe they donāt face a silence or ban like the rest of us, but even so I donāt think the Moderators could justify letting any regular forum users ignore the CoC whether that is a regular poster or an MVP.
In my previous post I did go on to say that is why we need rules and guidance so that we all follow the same codes. If you believe that you saw posts that break these rules then you have every right to flag them, I would never argue this fact.
I can think of several posts where the rules were broken, we can check the codes where it might say something like ābe given a temporary ban depending on severityā. All this tells us that someone may be silenced for a few hours, the severity is not determined by us this is again down to the Moderator.
And here would be the problem, you say you have seen such posts, I personally havenāt seen them, so as you say it isnāt a regular occurence or more people would be aware of it and as I said earlier, if such things were happening regularly then I think the forums would be on fire
I never think that somebody else shouldnāt have an opinion, but I do say that not everybody has to agree with that opinion. Whether I agree with you or any other poster agrees with you is irrelevant, you should be able to voice your opinion as long as you follow the CoC, the same as everybody else.
Iāve had only one negative encounter with an MVP, and it involved a friend coming to defend it.
I did behaved badly on that encounter, but i recognized that and apologized for it in the end because i donāt want to treat others in a way i donāt want to be treated, but its unfortunate i canāt say the same about the MVP and her friend, the latter who called me arrogant. Even though i wasnāt behaving much nicely, i havenāt done any direct insult on the situation to receive one, also, i found the specific insult of āarrogantā to be ironic on the situation, because i would consider that the MVP saying it would never stoop to my level and had friends to have real discussions with rather than me to be more fitting of an arrogant attitude.
I recognize that my attitude wasnāt the nicest, and that mightāve triggered that sort of response to me, but Iāve made apologies, but they werenāt returned, not even acknowledged, i didnāt even got a nod saying i shouldnāt be worried and there was no problem.
I find it cute that the CoC is mentioned so much yet broken so often by same person .
Examples listed below.
1)Bringing other threads into this thread .
Which falls under " Cross Linking Threads"
2)Mentioning and targeting and naming posters time and time again falls under harrasment .
I have been mentioned a few times by name in this thread which falls under
āHarassment takes many forms, and is not necessarily limited to the type of language used, but the intent. Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment can lead to more severe action. The idea behind this is to prevent any one player from consistently being uncomfortable in the forumsā
Accusing a person of alt posting which comes under flame baiting and trolling .
Ofc he will not name the MvP because it has not happened none of the MvPs are toxic or trolls the person just didnt like there views and is now upset .Discussing about bans and silences falls under
Discussing Disciplinary Actionsā¦ Creating posts or threads to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a character or account on the forums.
All the info is here .
I believe anyone saying people having mental issues without being a specialist in that field should not use that view in any context it is in very poor taste and i am shocked that a mod allowed it to stay in the post , mods which are slated by the poster as biased in one breath yet praised in the next all very confusing.
Accusing people of using victim card when claiming to be a victim of a nasty MvP and blizzard mods not working right and having favourites is very slanderous imho .
Blizzard finish there CoC by saying this
The bottom line is that we want Battle.net to be a fun and safe environment for all players. While playing on Battle.net and posting on its forums, you will encounter thousands of other players who share different experiences and come from vastly different backgrounds. While certain language and images may not be offensive to you, consider the fact that that same language and images may have a completely different effect on someone else. Weāve done everything we can to make this a great environment ā now itās up to you!
Well in my view after having my name used repeatedly in this thread i do not feel very safe or having any fun at all .
This bit sticks out the most to me
While certain language and images may not be offensive to you, consider the fact that that same language and images may have a completely different effect on someone else.
I find the use of āmental healthā very uncomfortable a term which should not be used lightly.
This comment is very wrong especially the end part ā¦
3.People who can be described as a toxic cesspool filled with red flags and obvious indications of mental problems..
I canāt remember any MVPs except Puny for the english forums. It shows how much I care about green text.
And I never saw anything negative emanate from her posts. Even in heated exchanges.
Still an interesting thread to read though ~
To be honest, I havenāt seen toxic MVPs. There have been in the past, long ago, but not recently. There arenāt that many of us left nowadays.
I think the main problem is that the General forum has people coming to it with many different ideas of what it should be. I think the original idea was for people to post ideas/problems/frustration/happiness about things ingame that didnāt belong in the class/realm/CS/tech or any of the other specific forums.
However, people have got to know each other here from posting on stuff and so a few fun threads have been posted as well. In the CS forum, we used to have a lounge where the blues, greens, visitors and anyone who wanted to could post and it worked brilliantly. However, as greens disappeared and we stopped having the same couple of blues attached to the forum to encourage OT posting just in that thread, it died.
Basically, people canāt be serious all the time. The raid groups organised from here have been a great initiative too (one day Iāll get over this stupid anxiety and give it a go). Chatting threads are, I feel, ok to make the forum a nice place to be so long as they donāt take over the original purpose of the forum and donāt derail the more serious threads.
However, before people quote it everywhere, this isnāt any sort of official policy ā¦ itās just a thought of how things could maybe work.
Signed
The MVP who isnāt Puny
This summarises exactly how I see MVPs. Theyāre just there making posts for the sake of getting ālikesā. Yeah, humour is a good thing when the forums are so inflammatory but I just donāt see the point in this pedestal status.
I can see people farming ālikesā if they are chasing TL3 status, beyond that what is it worth? If you want to post something I think most people do this to have their opinion heard, rather than to receive a like. I canāt speak for others, only myself, but when I post I donāt think oh will people like this, I tend to reread it and think would anybody be able to flag this
I donāt see a āpedestal statusā but maybe that is just different views. I see an MVP as a poster the same as everybody else, sometimes I like a post from a green, other times not. I do realise that they have their own views and that sometimes such views will be at odds with my views, to me that is just having a different opinion, which we are all allowed to do. I would have no hesitation about flagging a green post if I thought they were inflammatory or rude, so yeah I guess I see them the same as I see other posters, the only difference for me is the text colour of course and the fact they seem to have a wealth of information/sources that they can quickly access and post links to assist people.
@Blinkrush: Punyelf already provided you with the tools necessary for the times you think there is a need to include Blizzard staff responsible for MVPs specifically.
I have to add that I do not recognize patterns two or three in any of the extremely few MVPs still remaining. Technically speaking, I think only Shammoz, Punyelf and Ananda remain active of the English team on the English general forum. I post more here as my English is significantly better than my German. I believe Cerka has requested to step out of the program as I have seen a few posts with āEx-GrĆ¼nā in the signature used.
Shammoz may have more up to date info as I do not really directly interact with any of my fellow greens. Overall speaking, MVPs are rarely forced out (I am actually only vaguely aware of ONE such case over the past over 12 years) and most just step out of the program (or are āretiredā, if they remain without subscription and contact for an extended period). In certain ways, we are encouraged / required to adhere to higher standards than the other posters and unless things have changed on the Blizzard side, we are actually more heavily moderated than regular posters in such rare cases the moderation team feels such action is required.
As for farming likesā¦ Not likelyā¦ I think my own like count relies heavily on just two people, one of whom is Punyelf and another is a forum veteran, who has been extremely helpful over many years despite not being green.
On a final note for this post, a thank you for Emje for several excellent neutral posts. salutes
Aww what a nice thing to say, thank you so much
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