yeah i feel it needs way more work. hopefully they’ll do more changes to more tanks.
bdk is slowly sinking and im not happy, already started leveling a pally.
You on purpose ignoreing my comments oh well i guess its better then you picking fault with me .
can you stick to the thread? thank you.
you removed me and accused me of bad stuff I never did on multiple occasions, even tho I’ve never really done or said anything wrong to you. it says enough to me. never had issues with you, you’re the one who has issues with me, and you choose to solve it the way you did - throwing a message at me and not letting me respond. so stick with your choice AND thread.
Go bark at somebody that cares ,you think its good of you to accuse others of being jealous and incapable purely because they have different views .
I will stick by my choice thanks but you are wrong that Melee has it tougher in Mythic + than ranged .
Look at all affixes one by one then see how the affect melee compared to ranges (casters) There is some top level caster but even they are changeing to rogues to push high keys which is sad and needs to be looked at.
Even you said yourself recently the meta is wrong warrior 2 x rogue dh or monk now correct me if wrong thats 3 melee dps and no ranged if ranged had it easier dont you think there would be more in meta ?
Btw i did try to contact you on battlenet to say sorry but iam blocked so i cant speak to you .
Totally agree here. I have a Shrine key in my bag and I just hate the place, so I just pugged into someone else’s TD for the weekly chest this week.
Also true, ranged don’t have it good, and far worse with all the constant movement. The mobs leading up to second boss in AD with the green vomit for instance.
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Get a DK in the group any spec control undead and makes life so much easier its amazing how many DK’s never think to use that ablitiy.
if you’re gonna harass me, at least do it in original way instead of copying me. 
shhh.
First of all, I didnt accuse anyone of anything, secondly it wasnt about you. you just choose to make it about you for whatever personal issues you have with me.
if you at least took your time and read entire thread, you’d know that, but you didnt bother, because you wanted to start a drama with me for whatever reason you have.
let me tell you what happened.
some person said - “mythics shouldnt award limited rewards because I cant get it, and mythic raiders shouldnt get good and limited rewards just because they’re good and do the hardest content!! i pay money for this game and I want all rewards!!”
and later on I said “people are against mythic raiders getting shiny rewards like mounts and titles that are limited, because they’re jealous and incapable of doing it themselves” imlpying that the idea isnt even bad but some people oppose it because they dont want to see others on shiny mounts that they dont have.
- yes the person addmited that he wasnt capable to do it himself
- yes he doesnt want others to get it because he cant have it - jealousy.
I dont know where or how you even had to do anything with it, but you made it about yourself.
as I previously said I didnt have issues with you. and even if I did, you could talk about it instead of throwing message and blocking me.
at least quote me properly instead of twisting what I said again. :))
this means that YES - I do think that rogues are broken and need fix, and yes I believe that DHs/Monks (especially the latest) are busted because they have 5% debuffs. take away 5% from monks and meta’d be 3 rogue/warr/rdruid.
simply because how strong rogues are and how much utility they offer.
most affixes affect them both equally. only difference being 1. quaking, makes melee life really hard cuz you gotta move out each time while as ranged u just spread and done. 2. volcanic which is bad for ranged but good for melee, but even so you just gotta move away from the fire on the ground 3. sanguine, definately better for ranged since u dont get close to blood pools. + ranged do more DPS if u dont include combat rogue afaik.
not counting rogues there’re more ranged than melee on top of the ladder.
rogue’s the issue, not melees. just because rogue is melee doesnt mean melees are issue.
they both have ups and downs and I think its fairly balanced.
i havent blocked you, you blocked me. lol. and I dont even know why exactly.
i sent request too at first too talk it out but you do you since -
if you position yourself properly, you dont even need to move that much when killing honor guards - pretty sure I’ve seen people standing in places where they dont get hit by green ooze even once even tho they dont move.
if you mean rotting decay, it applies to everyone in 99 yards if i remember right. so yeah, nothing special about ranged there.
atal dazar actually favors ranged. you can kite dino boss and not lose damage, you can stand closer to pillar and lose less damage.
on second boss you swap between totems faster and dont lose damage when moving away from the jump
3rd boss you’re closer to blood pools
4th boss easier to dodge spiders, and easier to throw your soul debuff away without losing damage
on left side, you dodge all charges and fires if u stand in right spot
on right side you dodge certain abilities if you stand on right spot
I havent though your not blocked at all .
I didnt twist your words at all i was simply asking a question of you hence the ? at the end .
I said that doing mythic and mythic+ offers enough rewards already then we debated about gear and or rewards then you came out with the jealous and incapable comment which i felt was personal giveing you know my problems with wrists and hands .
I did the woman thing got into a temper and deleted you i went away for a little while calmed down went to message you and got
! There was an error delivering your message to Bukachu. (7000)!
On topic how would you address rogues ? would you give shroud to a ranged or another class .I dont think classes should be nerfed in the long run i think others should be buffed or changed to enchance them to make them more desirable in dungeons whats your view on that ?
fix their aoe damage compared to other classes. either buff pmuch every other class and spec, or nerf combat rogues damage.
sub and assa are more than fine - except utility part, from which shroud is the only one worth mentioning.
trick, sap, invis, being fast, vanish, distract yadayada is fine.
simply make shroud item that can be sold on AH.
just like priest, warrior, mage buffs are for sale, just like bloodlusts are for sale, just like invis pots are for sale. etc. idk how devs didnt do it yet, and why are they adding joke items to the game instead of proper utility items.
also, make enginering CR to be sold on AH - if other professions items are for everyone elses use, engi shouldnt get special treatement imo.
overall I dont get the thought process of devs, and how slow they are about certain things, takes them years to implement proper things to the game.
in case of tanks, i think all 4 tanks should get proper buffs so they do damage like warriors (Monks and Bdks to a small degree, bears and DHs to a big degree)
same for healers, bring them up to a level of druid.
in case of DPS its harder, because you need to have a lot of stuff on more or less same level, and there’s secondary stat scaling, and utility and how they work in different scenarios and yadayada.
for example.
99% of people think enh shammys are bad, Im saying, in the future at some point they’ll be one of the most busted specs even if nothing will change about them.
because scaling plays a huge part in how certain specs work - so its necessary to nerf/buff DPS specs to a degree where they’re playable, without really butchering their kit.
Thats a good idea it would have to be like the other buffs a tiny bit lower say 5 seconds less for example or a longer CD on item but that could work .
To help disc they could give them re-new like holy have to help them out .
Flash heal, instant radiance, remove weakened soul debuff (and bubble nerfed so many times now I’ve lost count), renew, prayer of healing, fear ward, all of this pruned since WOD. Not to mention penance ain’t what it used to be.
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just let discs do a bit more damage and they’ll be in a right spot in terms of uniqueness imo.
but im no healing expert, so idk. just ask dejapanda and he’ll say what priests need
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See my post above, the class has been pruned to death.
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Omg i havent played disc since HFC iam always holy i will just walk away and pretend i said nothing:wink:
The problem is the balance between raids and M+ IMO.
Like smite healing is fantastic on a raid as it is constant and attonement goes if using raidance on the lowest HP members. You can also intervene on tank. But like weakend soul was applied because of raid OP and not because of M+ OP. No balance between M+ and raids for Disc.
Holy not much better, same it is topping out a lot on raids but not M+.
But lacks a bit of oomph without flash heal IMO, I just don’t like how shadowmend works, particularly on grevious, and it feels clunky, you have to bubble everyone to offset the later HP loss.
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Im pretty sure judging by statistics, Disc priest is great for M+ (except certain affix)
one of the toppest runners is a disc priest.
rest are druids obviously, and that’s an issue, but dont really feel like disc’s bad.
they heal me great in dungeons, and there’re quite few discs on ladders top list.
most healers are somewhat alright, but rdudu’s just too good, if that gets fixed properly, i think we’ll see all sorts of healers on ladder.
Yes No. 3 healer in the world is a Disc priest. After that there is one other other priest in the top 100 healers at 97. Nearly everything else is a druid, with a small smattering of pallys and monks.
There will be an exception to every rule. IIRC I remember Ion saying back in WOD there 40 players in the world so far ahead of everyone else skill wise in PVP that he wouldn’t give anyone outside that group of chance of ever beating them in game.
I haven’t done much on disc this xpax, it just felt empty it was so pruned, and I only raided in season 1 so played holy as it has most of its toolkit intact and performed fine for the heroic raid.
Disc just feels very clunky compared to when I used to play it. I played disc Lich King trough WOD but mostly as a raid gear’d alt and PvP.
Maybe I should think about flipping to it from holy and getting over the new learning curve, although I have been playing around with druid and I like it.
However I guess it also comes back to how pruned a lot of the classes feel and holy isn’t over pruned so that is why I ran with it.