Mythic 10+ are overtuned for average player

[Ishayu-frostmane (Ishayu)]

@Aylish-emerald-dream

Gear is imo just a tool. I really don’t care what ilvl people around me have, or what type of content they do. The more even players are on ilvl, the easier it gets finding people to play with, be it people of various skill levels, there can be gems in a bracket that would normally not get much access to upgrades.

Of course, and I’m not saying otherwise.

What I’m saying is that rewards need to be sustained over the entire lifespan of a patch. When you stop getting rewards, the game stops being as fun. It is just a tool, yes, but getting better tools can be compelling and fun.

Unfortunately, Blizzard are doing a really poor job in this regard, and many of th issues can be laid directly at the feet of M+. M+ rewards too much.

[Swordart-drakthul (Swordart)]

AVG player is RHC and LFR stick to it or improve .

[Elaithiel-dragonmaw]

Well i managed to do 10 both weeks but could not time it twice, we died 50-60 times!

[Unruly-argent-dawn (Unruly)]

What is the “average player”, exactly? A guy who clicks his skills and does pet battles all day long?

[Totemtoez-amanthul]

a little harder on before but still okish. Tyrannical is now much harder at the beginning of the season because bosses really take very long and hurt on +10.
Once everyone gets 430+ it might be as easy as before, i guess?

[Skadee-jaedenar]

As a tank the only thing that bugs me is that you can’t plan your route/pulls beforehand cause emissary possitions change each week. Specially in pugs you will be the one responsible of calling the shots and since you are on a timer you don’t exactly have the time to discuss each emissary pull. Should we LOS pull this pack? Should we cc emissary and split the grp? Do we need interrupts / stuns on this pull? Where can we LOS? Oh that rock breaks LOS!

I wish blizzard would release a weekly intelligence report blog gathered by some faction spy that details emissary positions for this week. I guess I’m allowed to keep dream

[Podruge-lightbringer]

Yes, 10 should be easier cause you get an essenses this season.
The real difference is that now dungeons scale way more intensive from 10 to 11, 11 to 12, etc every time the jump between them is bigger.

[Totemtoez-amanthul]

did they change something in the scaling?
I found indeed Tol Dagor on tyrannical way way harder on +10 than on +9 but I thought maybe i just had a bad group. Only talking about the bosses not the trash and the stupido raid mobs

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

They will get easier in time as people get more gear and get used to the new affixes.

[Podruge-lightbringer]

@Totemtoez-amanthul

did they change something in the scaling?

they indeed did, but the change affected +%hp and +%dmg on +10 and beyond key lvls.

[Aylish-emerald-dream (Aylish)]

It could be a lot of things. I notice huge gaps in difficulty based on which groups I am in, rather than the number on the key.

I did +9 Waycrest I think, and it hardly felt any different to +10 Motherlode. Those were my 2nd. and 3rd. mythic+ this season, yet I hardly felt any difference in difficulty, and we had some retarded fokkups on both runs(like wiping 3 times on the witches in WC, and ninjapulling way too many times in Motherlode). We were able to dodge all the Void emissaries in Motherlode though. They were all placed in very good positions for our sake I don’t even remember what the Void ones do, but heard it is suppose to be nasty.

We have a 11 Temple laying around which we hope to get done today. I am curious how that will turn out. I like Temple, but can imagine it being a little more rough with the emissaries hanging around.

[Totemtoez-amanthul]

I don’t really notice the emissaries that much, but the bosses get really crazy on tyrannical and take forever.
The first and last boss on TG are really a pain and take several minutes to kill even with quite high dps
Void emissaries is focused usually die before their second cast or shortly after so they never kill anyone, just focus the dps.
The anti cc emissaries are usually much worse in trash packs which require interrupts for high dmg spells

[Goreeth-draenor (Goreeth)]

Well I dunno if it’s just a ML thing but it was extremely easy on a +10. Last night we decided to do for a few low-geared guildies (everyone except me was around 410 and one of them didn’t even have an essence) for the weekly 10. We almost 2-chested it. The only emissaries we had to kill were Tidal ones (the ones that make the trash immune to CC/interrupt). All others could be skipped. But I guess the dungeons that are not that open would be harder. Definitely not overtuned imo.

[Soulshox-draenor]

Sorry but its seems you are not an average player and in fact are a below average player. The content is not intended for you.

[Bukachu-ravencrest]

@Chocoh-draenor

Think a 10 keys bad this week. Oh boy you’re in for a treat next week. Fortified/teaming/quaking is just a huge time sink compared to this week.

just gonna pull half room ezclap if we die, you know who we blaming

[Looksmaxxed-kazzak (Looksmaxxed)]

So, Ive done I think 4 10’s so far, 2 in time, all pugs (happy to report you can get into 10’s with a non existent S3 score, takes 10-ish minutes tho)

The new affix is idk, if all zerg the void emissary it just dies in 10 seconds, no hiding no def, just burn cd’s. The only time it was a problem was when we tried to hide from casts. Then the time running to the target etc etc and it went to shyte.

Buy when everyone zergs it, it’s kinda trivial. I’d say last season’s affix had more chances of an accidental mistake and wipe.

[Nodip-twisting-nether]

I dont think it’s tuning thats the problem.

[Sandario-emeriss]

Blame ze healzzz

[Nivmie-draenor]

i just hate first boss in tol dagor as caster. awful awful awful

[Shunt-arygos]

Some dungeons seem nearly too easy while others are extreme hard.
Boss fights like the first one in TD or the 3 witches in WM are again typical bosses where you have a hard time with range dps’.

FH and ML just feel like a joke difficulty-wise compared to the rest