Mythic 10+ are overtuned for average player

mythic 10+ i used be able 2+ my 10’s now i can barely finish it without 200 wipes… 423 gear

The difficulty (and rewards) of 10 have been turned up a lot for the new season. A +6 now drops 415 gear. It seems likely that Blizzard’s entire intent is that not everyone will be getting through a +10 for a while.

Are you pugging it? If so I’d bet your party is well below your ilvl and are grossly overestimating their capability. Frankly it caught out some of my regular crew when we got smacked around in a +8.

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it’s not pug on discord with average of 420 ilvl.

+9 was easy plus 2 it on free hold

I have heard others say that 9-10 is a surprisingly big jump. As in people who cleared 9 then really struggled with the 10.

Tbh, I’m ok with +10 being quite hard now. It’s fine, imho, if people have to work up to it again. And indeed, the community has been nagging Blizz for a while about the content not being hard enough :slight_smile:

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It’s suppose to be like that like Alewin says…

It was easy because it was easier until they tuned it up. It’s suppose to be harder now.

I can two chest a +10 as a 392.5 ilvl bdk in a full pug no comms. It’s all about how you play and knowledge. Wowhead has some really good guides on both dungeons and classes

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M+10 is as under-tuned as possible, considering its the “highest rewarding” content within the dungeons.

wish 15s would reward stuff too

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Mythic +10 only became really a thing this week. With 423 gear you should be good provided your team mates are also on the same approximate gear level.

Which key you get is also a thing of course.

So give it a week or two, perhaps three, most average players are not really there yet anyway, then we can comment on whether +10s are too hard?

Personally I find the new affix orders of magnitude easier than reaping.

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From overgeared and ignoring tacts to normal geared and still ignoring tacts?

I have noticed quite a few in the past week who had absolutely no clue what was going on - was quite fun to watch yet frustrating.

But in a group of 420+ with communication it shouldn’t be hard. If you then still wipe 200 times you do something horribly wrong.

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There might be some of this. My team were struggling with a +6 earlier, then we remembered we had 4x CC amongst us and suddenly it wasn’t a problem.

Again, I’m fine with this. If doing a +10 on time now requires you to do more than pull, tank, and AoE, then good.

Right now +10 is like +15 was in the past season but also people on average have lower gear than it rewards. Give it 3-4 weeks and everyone will have once again ilvl gear higher than it rewards and challenge will fall down.

I got 440 trinket from the weekly and two 430 gear pieces from a +10 run. Still have few non-azerite slots where base 430 gear would be an upgrade where as few weeks ago my gear was higher than what M+ rewarded even from weekly - and that stat budget has huge effect on the numbers.

Sorry but this statement is inaccurate. You have a bunch of new toys is the form of Essences to aid you, the new Affix is way easier, and to boot this week’s affixes are so easy you forget they are there at all.

I’ve encountered one pull, in UR11, where the ad was actually thought provoking. Right before the 3rd boss. Every other +10 or higher I’ve ran has felt very smooth and the few ones we missed the timer it was our fault.

But hes not wrong, scaling wise 9s now are like 13/14s last season and 10s are like 15 ish

…whut? I am sorry but it feels like I am playing a different game then. Done +10s on rog(started out as 416), mage(420) and BDk(started out as 412 roflz). Now I am no m+ pro or anything but +10s never felt an issue as long as people have at least a basic idea on what they are doing?

So unless your group is making 4-5 pack pulls for “lols” I cant really understand where peps are struggling.

I’ve personally only done a bit of m+ with beguiling due to going in vacation right after the patch hit but I’ve had 2.7k teams fail an 11 because we didn’t know how to deal w the void emissary infront of vol’kaal or the one that makes interrupts impossible between the 2 skyscreechers on the stairs behind rezan, my guess is that pugs just have issues with beguiling tbh, but yeah it doesn’t feel too tough.

Is there a site where the average iLvl for runs is shown? That could perhaps partially explain the issue I guess?

Also OP, no hate but at 418 it’s ilvl comparable to doing +10s in 8.1 at 388. Which wasn’t exactly overgearing the content

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Get comfortable with beguiling and don’t bum rush it. Also try different packs, understand the mobs and sometimes a pack you often skipped last season can be really easy now compared to the beguiling pack.

But yes, mobs hit harder and essences are a big boost to dps/mitigation etc

Also depending on your set up you may have to deal differently with packs.

Glad to hear, that it’s hard to do :+1:.

It is mythic + you have normal dungeon finder heroic and mythic 0 can not get harder shame on you ,you have for it RHC and LFR these dungeons are done via premade group finder and non random queue for likes of you.

pretty funny you had 200 wipes with 423 i lvl with group on voicecomes just shows how i lvl means literally nothing to your exp/knowledge anything at all LUL just use score guys and take around 1,4k+ last season for your 10 and you are good.