I think m+ is a great addition to the game but the amount of gear that it drops compared to raiding and pvp is insane to the point that it overshadows the rest of the game. Also no lockout so players can spam it and outgear a new heroic raid tier within the first week. A big problem is the chest containing a guaranteed item and titan residuum just for doing one dungeon per week. It needs to be brought in line.
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It drops fair amount. Maybe you can try after you reach 120.
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One raid boss: 20% chance at loot
One 30-minute m+: 60% chance at loot + guaranteed superior item in chest with corruption + titan residuum to buy mythic raid gear
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M+ doesn’t drop gear anywhere near the means of raid worthy gear. Why complain when you have to wait for what mythic release of the raid to even be able to farm gear above a +4/5 M+.
The only gripe is that its the BIS every new patch for your gear till you obtain the “raid bis” minus the exception like gettiku which is always bis due to how it simply works.
It hardly impacts mythic progression on raiding by any means given how mythic N’zoth went down in what 5 days to complexity limit which meant they didnt even get to maximise the benefit of what loot you would get from a weekly chest.
Even in content like PvP currently raiding gear still overshadow’s M+ gear
also you defeat the point of M+ if you neuter the replay ability of it
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Mythic raiding is irrelevant for the vast majority of players. I’m talking about heroic raid. M+ has made heroic raid progression a waste of time, most people just try to get achievement and that’s it.
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You clearly haven’t seen how incompetent heroic geared players are even with their gear being HC equivalent. Gear helps but being mechanically good at your class gets you curve, alot of the players you try to refer to will be heroic/mythic geared and still need help by higher end players to clear HC.
So M+ doesn’t really impact it, as far as im concerned.
Lmao no. This is just not correct at all. M+ has huge loot table for each dungeon. Unlike Raids, where you will most likely get the item you need.
Ask yourself this, if M+ loot is so good, why high key pushers are using raid items?
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One problem is the removal of set bonuses. People do m+ to get the gear to clear heroic raid and start mythic, instead of raiding to get gear to raid.
I think the weekly chest should be removed but add head/shoulder/chest to the loot tables.
Or m+ gear should get bonus that only works in m+. Same for raiding and pvp.
azerite gear killed it and in all honesty it was beneficial to the games health having tier sets removed as it was the be all end all and dictated if your spec if you were forcibly made to re-roll spec per patch given how bonuses changed and only had one variation per raid tier.
Weekly chest is the only thing providing gear on par with raiding, pvp gearing is impossible in its current form as it is which would mean 99% of players would be forcibly bottle necked into content which is awkward to arrange for given the party size.
There is no m+ tier gear bonuses worth mentioning or even existing iirc.
We’ve been over this a million times, raid trinkets and weapons, targeted boss kills and azerite gear is a million times more useful than what m+ drops.
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You think trinkets is enough motivation to raid?
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I think if you have issues clearing heroic raids the issue really isn’t the gear.
The only reason my druid raids is for trinkets, it’s already enough of a chore just to get those, I can’t force myself to do the raids for azerite too 
Every dps and healer in arena run the raid trinkets period they are God tier without question and definitley will and always have taken priority over M+ trinkets as they do not usually see any nerfs untill its old content.
If you cant clear heroic its your problem as others have mentioned as its not really a big step up from normal.
Nice troll thread, forgot the weekend is already here.
Depends on the item and whether its not a trinket. Also highly depends on the corruption on it as well whether i ever consider said item or insta scrap it or at least cleanse it.
The Mythic+ azerite pieces are crap for the majority of classes. Up to a point where an HC piece may be above it or so close to it that it doesnt matter.
That has always been the case. Back in the days Heroic was called Normal. Ever since the change the new Heroic had 1 xpac where mythic+ didnt exist and even there heroic/old normal was outgeared in a heartbeat as it always has been because of relatively low incomming damage and/or missing mechanics
They dont get it to “clear” the raid so to say but to get into bloody groups. Unless you can link stuff like CE or people paying attention to your mains raider IO (if you have anything noteworthy and not be a “new” player) you can pretty much forget to get into HC groups if your ILvL in general isnt already at the same level as the ilvl the raid drops. This has also always been the case.
We will infact get a selection of several items where we can pick one from in the shadowlands weekly chests.
Ye im fine with that. Has to be a general bonus tho and not like “Shadowstrike now bypasses all armor even without FW” or stuff like that.
If your sole motivation for raid (emphasis on sole) then you best stay where the sun doesnt shine.
But to answer your question: Yes. It is. Or else you wouldnt have people still run EP Mythic for 2 certain trinkets (or even purchase boost with class stacks)
The Ny’Alotha and EP trinkets are also generally vastly superior to what M+ offers. Not to mention the Weapons with Locked in Corruptions.
If only. I keep getting repeats to the same slot (my priest has like 7-9 pants from weekly chests, my pala keeps getting gloves and boots’). Good majority of the time it’s not even usable, when it’s not repeat in the same slot, because it’s the wrong item with wrong secondary stats or I got decent corruption in that slot already that I don’t want to lose.
Majority of my equipped gear is raid gear / 465-470 items from masked visions. With the occasional pvp weekly item here and there… Based a little on what I’m doing, so on gear setup/corruption setup. At most I think I’m using 2x 475 weekly items at the same time, out of the few months of weeklies we’ve had now.
edit: wrong character, not that it matters.
Current raid trinkets are pretty garbo tbh. Honestly equipping 2 of the best dungeon trinkets will leave you with about the same damage as the best raid trinkets.
Also a huge portion of your damage this patch is based on corruption gear. The only reason to raid is targeted azerite and a slightly higher ilvl.
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M12+ doesn’t take “just 30 mins”.
It takes 2-5 hrs finding a group that won’t leave after a death/wipe. If it’s your key and it degrades it takes twice as much. If you’re alliance twice as much. So 1-2 days for a 470 chest and some dust.
Just because you play on the privileged faction with guildies/randoms to boost you that does not translate to the average player experience.
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So your argument is basically that chest drops are useless for you because you’ve already had so much gear thrown at you from m+.
i don’t know how some people complain about gear dropping to much in m+. i have over 4 weeks since i did not get any upgrades, i still have sub par bow, sub par boots and sub par ring on my hunter. on paladin i can queue only as tank cos no one else will take me as dps but still have done a few and i have no shield since the start of the patch. wow so much gear tsk tsk tsk.
No it is never too much gear when you have no real control of if what you need will drop
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