Mythic + is miserable without friends and needs rework (remove keystones)

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I’m a havoc DH. I am over 3k rating. I don’t get invited to any keys, anymore, since community perception of what is good changed away from havoc being among the best

Earlier in the season, any group would basically instantly invite me.

Now? I don’t get invited to anything. I can spend hours signing up for groups and that’s all I do. Want to join a key above what I’ve timed? Can’t. ~

If the decline/expired groups weakaura counter would still work, I’d give you a number. It’s literally hundreds of group sign ups, though, until I get invited. This is not ok in any way.

And doing my own key is not a solution, before anyone mentions it.
I don’t want to do a key I’ve already timed just to go into either another one I’ve already timed, or deplete one I haven’t timed and go back down to one I’ve timed. It’s miserable, feels like a waste of time and isn’t fun. I want to progress, not get punished for trying.

The system needs a total overhaul.

Get rid of the keystone system. No one likes it.
Instead: progression system. You time a 24 nokhud → you can start a 25 at any time. No more keystones.
Use the same +2,+1, whatever system of increasing your level for a dungeon
You can start at a 2. You get an incredible timer → you can do a 5 of that dungeon now. And so on.

We don’t need further punishment than we already have with finding a group → failing the timer and not getting any upgrade.
It takes time to form the group, it takes time to try the dungeon out. We don’t need that to be multiplied by 2 or more with this failed keystone system.

The current system would ever only work with a group of friends, guild or whatever may be, where you turbo through keys and don’t have to spend hours forming groups and you communicate what keys to reroll.

Me and many other people don’t have that priviledge. It’s miserable for me and so many others. So many people quit the game over this, and understanbly so. They can’t play. Just like I can’t.
I love mythic + and I want to play more of it. Make it possible to do so.

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Blizzard has this unrealistic and quite frankly delusional idea of what the community is actually like because they do seem to play in a bubble of friends or something.

A progression system like yours would probably work much better.

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I’ve been in your situation before. And people on the forum told me to cater to keys I can time. So, maybe you should try to join +2… :person_shrugging:

Other than that… Yea, I agree with you.But there will be a bandwagon of players here who think they are extra-smart apparently, and they’ll tell you things like: “no because it would make M+ too easy, everyone would get KSM or whatever” and "keys have to deplete because… reasons I guess :person_shrugging:

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I’ve got an idea.
Let’s make a poll.

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Same here, Prevokers been nerfed every patch over the last few weeks and is being nerfed again so I spend 45 minutes looking for a group. Everyone wants resto druid.

Despite Prevoker still being S tier and I can pump 65k-70k hps when I need to.

I feel your pain bro.

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that’s actually not a bad idea

yesterday i started my week with a +22 Academy key in the bag
formed a group, all decently rated some already completed a 22
we started the dungeon, shrouded to veximus. healer dies 10 seconds into the fight
gets ressed dies again
we wipe gg no re, i leave.

for the rest of the night, i simply refused to queue up my key
i kept queueing 21 academies one after the other
in every single one of them there was 1 or 2 failers. if not on Vex, then on Tree
if not on Tree then on Bird
it took over 5-6 attempts to finally time it and i rerolled my key

what really helped getting me invited is that i had timed on fortified already

just be extra careful with your keys to not get into such situations until Blizz figure out a better system.

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your own key is always a solution
and when you are at 3k and you didn’t make any friends along the way something wrong with you mate
you should already had multiple people added to your Battle net friend list and sort them according to their role in m+

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I did add people to friends list.
Tens of them.
It doesn’t matter most of the time. Some people quit, some people are doing something else, some people will sometimes join.
And no. Again, not a solution. It’s a terrible punishment system especially for the key holder. No.

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I feel you, bud. Still out here playing keys on Holy Pala despite everyone either going Prot or completely rerolling to dragon - cus why wouldn’t you at this point? Been top the entire expansion so far with 2-3x Holy Pala overall damage while bringing lust, soothe, insane racial(s), all while chilling in range with limited dangers and somehow still allowed to also outheal any other healer /shrug

But hey, Ashen Hallow was op for a season and nerfed (rightfully so) and now we’re out here buttoming M+ with our Holy Priest & Mistweaver friends

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I’ve had a very similar experience timing all 21s, HoV for instance took 9 tries to finally time in tyra.

Most keys I attempt even just 20 weeklies end up in depletes and it’s absolutely demoralizing, it’s simply a bad system, it barely teaches you anything and when it does it’s with a slap in the face.

Imagine the same in raid, if you fail a boss you have to beat it again in the diffculty below to attempt it again on another, people would be flooding the forums to complain.

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I think I suggested that before.

The people in the forums told me that if there was no downgrade that people would apparently spam untimed runs for loot or something with multiple healers and tanks?! something weird or that they would wait for hero on each pack.

I say if some people want to be weird, let them. Weirdos should not be why we cannot have nice things

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oh no, people getting gear. anyway.

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I know right, the horror

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Being able to infinitely chain dungeons with a set group and fishing for Leech/Avoidance items would break the M+ ladder.

There was a warrior tank from the chinese server that had people trade him full leech/corruption gear in BFA S4 iirc.

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With who you will run that Nokhud 25 without the keystone system you suggested? What is the difference between running your own key (you have an instant spot) and the system without the keystone you offered? You unlocked Nokhud +25 now, good, you don’t need a keystone, good, but again, the question and problem remains, where is your team in that system for your unlocked Nokhud +25?

Maybe considering you have reached your skill limit and keeping it there is a more mature and fun way to play the game?

What is your idea to “total overhaul” this wicked system? Because your ideas will be a better solution for lower keys for solo puggers?

Maybe AI team run with you?

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What, thread is 4h old and there’s still no “no because people would just time all +30 first week”, “no because would leave after first attempt”, “no because if Venus would be at certain angle to Jupiter starting M+ without keystone system would destroy whole universe”.

I think that crowd is on the way to tell you “git gut”. Call me when you want external cds to survive their elitist yelling :slight_smile:

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There was one just before you.
Seems like I’ve reached my skill limit according to him. Very observant, he must have looked at my gameplay. Surely no one would assume such a thing without seeing one’s gameplay.
Boring.

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Get yourself a team. This is what it is, otherwise, you can’t push further. Or they should implement an AI system, recording your mistakes and your AI team will be doing similar or the same mistakes at critical points of the run.

Why so serious? Play it for fun.

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Thank you so much, I had never thought about that. All my problems are solved, close the thread.

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Is that all of your problems? What do you expect to come here and create that topic? What you will get by pushing further? What do you expect to get?

Maybe channelling your wonderful skills and focusing on RL things will make you a happier person. But whatever, we still want to hear your ideas to solve that pugging thingy.