notice the issue, cant get rating if i cant get groups. season 1-4 of DF had zero issues finding them would take 10 mins at most but now its just horrific, get home at 6pm and poof 3 hours wasted doing half a key
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Keys, that give the same gear as delves are very unpopular. Itâs a huge problem now in my opinion. You cannot learn dungeons as well at low keys anymore, because low key players are playing delves, and without exp, you will not get into +7s, where hero loot starts to drop. I think delves have kind of cannibalised the casual players in the game. Itâs not necessarily bad, but maybe delves are way too rewarding for the time and energy compared to dungeons. Itâs not good for the game, if casual players are already capping at on their rewards in week 1. Probably slow it down a lot, Blizz. They should still get hero vault, but their whole gearing process needs to be slower.
I like delves though, they are fun, but low M+ players may have a bit of a rough learning curve now. I am glad I rushed in week 1, because I actually really enjoy Keys. However, many people donât seem to, especially dps players, as they wait ages.
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is the advice in the room with us. Its like saying to a homeless bloke âget a job or buy a houseâ.
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Millions of runs completed a week and you canât manage one. Who are you in this analogy?
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there is no point runign + 7 for hero gear which you can get from maps in dvelves and from dvelve GV.
there is literaly 0 reason to run anything below +10 or mythic raiding atm if its not for score or crests to upgrade your gear a tiny bit faster or for aotc from raid.
you will see - next seaosn they will cash in yearly bonuses checks for job well done - aka dvelves being succes and they will nuke the gear in there into ground 
If you are struggling to find others to play with and can drop the attitude then I would suggest you try one of the communities.
They are non toxic environments for players to find suitable members to do keys with. Some of them also offer raids/delves etc.
With delves dishing out welfare epics being undergeared for any key below a 5 is pretty much impossible
You have to do bountiful delves to get loot and use up your keys which are pretty much served up on a platter for you.
I use to love mythic+ however I have to agree it is now hard to find a team. Even struggle to get DPS some timesâŚ
I can only log on for 1 or 2 hours so I donât t want to spend my time trying to find a team, which the other day I wasted 40mins putting a team together for a +2 only for the tank to leave after first boss (no reason why)
Now I just login do a bountiful delve and when I have more time do a pug normal or heroic raid. I enjoy both and have fun, but I enjoyed mythic way way more.
Hoping it settles as time goes on or maybe time I find a guild.
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blizzard really ⌠up with loot in dvelves. its pretty obvious at this point.
this is they cannot just change it mid season .
their initial hotfix to dvelves on day 2 of season makes now a lot of sense - if they kept it - people would do m+
but they had their yearly bonuses at stake - they just had to make dvelves succesfull. so they nerfed htem into group effecitvely giving free loot and making anything below m+10 and mythic raiding effecitvely usless.
and on the other hand when I try, i get declined for a +6 lol
So u are a bad paladin tank then because protection paladins arent real as bad as people think, on wich note i can understand why people think that they are bad ofc sheeps follow the streamers opinion.
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If thatâs really the case, then I guess people didnât do M+ because they LIKED it, but simply because it was easier than raiding to get gear.
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They need to remove the timer from Mythic + 1 to Mythic + 5
Gives people a stress free, safe environment to learn the mechanics without requiring meta comps and ruined keys due to people leaving.
There is literally no downside to this change.
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If you can survive 2 pack pull in m7 as prot pala, I will give you a million gold.
What are yours?
Mine are: Mists of Tirna Scithe, The Necrotic Wake and Grim Batol
Siege of Boralus is okâish, itâs only really bad if people have no clue running it.
If what I read in another thread in here is true⌠that you can only get 4 pieces of gear per week from M+, it pretty much explains it to me.
People who do M+ to gear up have no reason to do more past the first 4. And the people who just wanna push keys to see how high they can get generally have their people they prefer to play with. And if they do push keys with pugs, they are going to be extremely selective in who they pick up.
And so it makes perfect sense why its hard to find groups after the first few days of the weekly reset.
If that gear limitation is true, it is one of the most detrimental design philosophies Iâve heard of in a while.
Some people played for gear some because they canât be bothered with raid grouping, some for fun, and some for all reasons.
Delves are super convenient and people are skipping LOWER keys.
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Yeah they are kinda bad I noticed, I would not step into high m+ without Aug in my group 100% of time. Yoda the prot paladin rank 1 does all keys with good evoker player .
And this is why the current system Was a mistake
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