I want to share what I hope will create a good discussion regarding the RWF and Mythic Raiding. I saw a video recently where Asmongold reacted to Mythic raiding needs to change and there has been a lot of discussion around this and the RWF (Race to World First).
I had an idea I wanted to share that might be a good idea but let me know if my idea has any flaws.
The main issue people have with the RWF is that the raid is way overtuned for the average player versus the RWF raider and I agree.
So to fix this I think we should still have Normal, Heroic and Mythic raiding but I would also add another mode that when you enter the raid, the Raid Leader can OPT IN to âChallenge Modeâ which would typically be the overtuned Mode for the RWF.
Mythic would then be more catered for average players.
Now you might ask whatâs the difference? as youâre just adding another difficulty? Yes, However I would make it so that Normal, Heroic and Mythic drops gear but Challenge mode DOES NOT. Itâs Simply for RWF and any other guilds that wish to attempt it that will earn you special achievements and Cosmetics.
You could then have Normal, Heroic and Mythic release on patch day so raiders can gear up without the RWF impacting the average player and RWF players do their splits getting ready for the challenge mode.
After around 2 weeks you release âChallenge Modeâ where all RWF go for the Glory of defeating the last Boss on the most challenging difficulty and they earn special World First titles along with realm first titles and cosmetics.
Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this, thanks.
Itâs the hardest content and the people that are in the race kill it with less gear, quicker and spend many hours doing it.
Compare that to less accomplished guilds that get more gear to compensate for less skill to achieve the same result = also pacing themselves in a more measured way. In addition the hardest bosses get nerfed to accommodate the mere mortals so they donât hit a wall.
Youâre effectively advocating for a niche on top of a niche which seems sorta pointless.
Why, though? Mythic raid difficulty is already exactly this, why would there need to be another tier of difficulty?
The item level gap between upgraded heroic loot and upgraded mythic loot has shrunken and is marginal now. You can also get mythic track loot once a week from doing 18s. So I feel that mythic raid difficulty is already largely a prestige mode that feels fairly optional.
I like that, actually. It offers a challenge for those looking for that, and everyone else doesnât feel terribly left out if they donât do mythic raiding. Itâs not so different from M+ loot rewards stopping at 20 (18, really) and higher keys being for those who want to challenge themselves more.
Lol then it will not be cleared think before u react. If u see they had no problems with the bosses till they encountered tyndrall so if they take your idea they never had the chance to kill tyndrall let alone Fyrakk tbh.
Didnât Blizzard want to make it so Raids didnât need to get nerfs/buffs etc? The theme for a while is that the world first raiders complete the raid then it goes through many nerfs for the rest of the player base, theyâre just giving themselves more work.
I have seen the video Asmon reacted with.I think Blizzard should never nerf any bosses not even for RWF.If last boss go down after 1 or 2 month it is fine,but going down after 2 weeks of releas it has become standard routine,every patch,considering on how easy is to get better gear.Also from Mythiy plus helps you to get way much faster gear and to upgrade them to higher ilvl.
I think blizz makes money with RWF because of the stream,people are following them and support them giving them money,everyone,Blizzard and the streamer has to win from you viewing the RWF,but you win nothing from this,nothing benefits you who took the first kill.
If you are number one on Raiderscore mythic score,guess what:nobody care,you get nothing from ending up the season as nr.1 per realm(no gold,no real money,no new mounts,titles,nothing),and the top guilds they are living from the game money,they would stop playing wow in the moment they could not win real money.
I donât hope for better game experience because it will never happen.If top guilds are important because they are making money,then let us to do so aswell,i mean to the non-streamer player.
Mythic Raiding is not for the average player. The average player has a hard time moving out of an AOE on the floor. How do you expect them to move out of a line, collect a buff/debuff, soak a mechanic all within the space of 10 second
RWF is tuned in a way to be overly difficult for that challenge, where those 0.00001% of the player base have all the time in the world and money behind them to push that content.
âChallange Modeâ is Mythic mode. The turning of RWF is reduced once that race between those top guilds has ended.
Again the average player does not belong in Mythic. You have LFR, Normal & Heroic. Hell most people even had an extremely hard time in Heroics. Mythic content is normally only done within guilds and sometimes you will see Mythic runs popping up on the group finder, but you will have an extremely tough time getting into it, without fully upgraded, enchanted Myth gear, logs of all your runs to show you know what youâre doing and youâre actually pushing out the numbers to what your class is able to do.
At the end of the day, this idea will never be added. The 4 tier system that is currently in the game is more than enough.
RWF is the target audience to be fair, only makes sense to aim towards them, if it was designed to be fun for the casual/majority of the players then more effort would go into the UI so that addons arenât required to actually play the game.
I do not think making a new mode will ever be the answer.
I actually think that right now we have way too many modes, but also am 1 who wishes we never left he 10man raid behind.
To me it feels like a constant arms race between blizz and weak auras. Blizz make new more taxing mechanics, so weak auras make a way of tracking and dealing with it, so blizz ramp it up even more.
The end result is a fight like Tindral where you have so much overlap with so many mechanics and any 1 slight mess up wipes the raid.
Its actually the reason my guild (Not the one this toon is in) opted to break till next season after smolderon went down. We knew it would take some 400-500 pulls, potentially more when replacing people who burnt out and ultimately being forced to replace anyone who struggled due to the lag etc.
Somethings got to give, I know many people who are keeping a close eye on TWW and if the raids there are anything like Tindral or such they are likely to wave goodbye to wow entirely as the content they enjoy (Raid) will effectively be made unenjoyable.
What are you playing on that struggles that much? I use all the addons and WAs that my guild requires (theyâre not all required to kill the bosses) and I donât have fps issues. (I have a good - but not fantastic - GPU, average RAM and below average CPU.)
simply no reason to change ⊠bcs rwf if add another mode above mythic ⊠people will just complain for that mode later same was as rwf ⊠simply u have already normal and heroic there
Itâs not for many better players either because you need 20 people and then schedule the playtime. I raided in guilds in the past, I donât any more because it requires scheduling your playtime, I donât do scheduling my playtime any more.
