So… I have been playing WoW solely to enjoy M+ since BFA. And this season is the worst season of M+ I have ever played.
I’m playing a healer and I can comfortably do +8s (I haven’t tried anything above that yet) so I usually get instant invite. I also play a lot with my guild. So when it comes to the aspect of finding an M+ group, I am fine. No problems there for me. However…
The problem starts with the grind and non-existent rewards in M+. It takes a lot of effort to complete M+ at +7/+8 and 95% of the time all I get is 54 gold… I am capped on crests and valor stones. Next week I will also be capped on my upgrades because to upgrade my gear further, I will need to do M+9 and higher which I will not be doing because it is simply UNFUN and not worth the effort.
I have been farming “Necrotic Wake” for wrist, “Ara’kara” for trinket and “Grim Batol” for another trinket for like 2 weeks now. I have been doing like 5 M+ dungeons everyday so that is like 70+ runs over two weeks. All I got was like 2-3 items I didn’t need. I also got no upgrades in the last week’s great vault and had to take tokens… It just feels super bad as you get nothing for playing the game, there is no way to progress your gear, and there is no bad luck protection because great vault is also 100% RNG. It is the same story with the raid loot system. I have been doing NM and HC every week since S1 launch and I got like 2 items from it…
I actually gave up today, haven’t logged to WoW as it just makes me mad when I think about running another m+ or hc raid and getting nothing from it. My sub runs out in 1month and I guess I won’t be resubbing. I just cba to play this RNG hot mess. The game respecting your time is an illusion unless you are super lucky with all the RNG systems.
At least make the bloody gold in the chest scale with the key level so +2 gives 200gold and another 200gold per key level so when you do +7 key you get 1200gold. This way by doing m+ you can at least accumulate some decent amount of gold.
The fact that, for most players, the best loot in the game comes from a weekly RNG loot crate (the great vault) has consistently been a week spot in every recent expansion.
I don’t think any player actually believes that Blizzard respects our time.
I don’t do M+ specifically because of what you mentioned. Why am I running a challenging dungeon, which can take almost an hour to set-up and then run for zero reward? And then for the new season to come out four months later and make all that work mean nothing.
I’m honestly surprised people keep doing it. At a guess, I’d say they do it for rankings or as they find it fun and don’t care about gear.
At some point you no longer care for the drops from M+ because the only upgrades are from the vault. But before that I absolutely cared about the actual drops in dungeons and farmed for them.
I’ve also given away loads of unwanted loot now I’m more or less at the stage I no longer need the actual drops.
I do love people making up stuff I didn’t say. So fun.
What I DID say was that there is a gearing curve. We go through various stages where loot is useful until we are into the next phase. In this case the actual loot from M+ is also useful for a time.
The last phase for most is the vault.
Stop twisting things to suit something you want to push.
It’s easy to make light of this problem when you got all day to play. Most people do not, if we can even call it playing anymore when you spend most of your time queueing.
And its not about free loot either, it’s simply about the fact that current M+ is pretty much a waste of time for little to no reward at all. Mythic track gear has been locked behind a much higher difficulty than it was previously, and the death affix makes pushing keys a pain.
The numbers don’t lie and the current numbers show M+ participation is crazy low. Especially for a new expansion. People just stopped playing, and I don’t see how fewer players can be a good thing in an mmo.
I do wonder sometimes if people just jump on others for the hell of it.
Never made light of anything. Never commented on any of the things you are mentioning.
What I did was respond to a comment about gear that drops from mythic plus dungeons and the insinuation that it serves no purpose and only the vault does.
The jump from +8 to +9 isn’t huge (unlike +9 to +10). Now that people are mostly decked out with heroic gear, +9s feel much easier than a few weeks ago. Give it a try. No risk, no reward.
People would also stop resubbing if they get BiS gear within a month with minimal effort. IMO the current progression difficulty is good. It now feels like a big achievement to get to the myth-track items, unlike Dragonflight where getting a +8 and myth-track vault rewards in the 1st week was quite easy.
i dont think so.
people didnt unsub from DF and all it might lead to is that people will gear up their alt army, which isnt an issue?
getting no loot and being walled far away from no lifers in fact makes people unsub faster and not resub any time soon.
we had that already and it almost broke the game… hi, shadowlands?
If I got BiS items, I would still play low and higher M+ keys for fun. It was the case in all other expansions. I would think other people do the same - they played M+ because it used to be fun. The main problem is that M+ this season is not fun, it’s overtuned and makes you feel tired after 1 run especially if you get a bad group. On top of that it’s all RNG and you are probably getting 0 rewards from it. And that is from PoV of a healer. I can’t imagine what it feels like being an average DPS player spending 30min in a queue only to deplete a key and get no reward or people leaving mid run or timing the key and still not getting anything from it.
" there is no way to progress your gear, " i agreed that. Capped every week and gears are just waiting for upgrade… now this week just i can craft 636 for 1 gear. Now will do weeklies and waiting for another 1 week for vault. Game is not fun right now. Its finished. Because of cap and no fun … And im holy priest gg. No buff… Comedyzzard
It’s the same every season? If there’s specific drops from a key, try farm it, get something similarly powerful or ride out RNG in the vault? I got the tank trinket on my BDK early s3 on myth track and both the DPS and cheat death one early, this season my monks been fairly unlucky with loot rolls but it’s early season
it is very different from other seasons.
yes for myth ilvl rng it is the same, but target farming is exceptionally more frustrating and time consuming as before.
in DF you could target farm in a +7 or +17 which had a very high success rate (at least for me). cfarming those keys was quite relaxing and easnt very stress inducing so you could run 4 in a row quite easily without needing a long break.
now in tww you have to farm +7 as well but the success rate is much worse and generally very stress inducing. Maybe it will be better over time or many people already unsubbed
