Very true, it is annoying. But also annoying when you see someone winning an item which they don’t need and you do, and then they don’t put it to roll. Sometimes a little encouragement is required because people don’t think that someone else might need it.
I would usually encourage people to roll if I were to /w someone.
How do you know they don’t need it? Transmog is not an ilvl thing.
Well that is the debate we’re having here. Go back and read the Thread, for more insight.
My personal opinion is that Gear Progression should get priority over Vanity Progression. Vanity progression can continue after the content is current, such as solo-ing raids in the future. Whilst the person running LFR for gear progression, might need those extra couple of points to get into their future raid or M+ group.
I realise others don’t feel that way. But then I have also seen LFR Chats explode with hatred because somebody needed a Cloak at a much lower ilvl than they already have because “Transmog”. It feels pretty bad being held back from Progression because of somebody else’s Vanity needs. But as a part-time collector myself, I understand how good it feels to get a new transmog piece. But I have no problem giving it up if it’s for someone else Gear progression.
Blizzard said they would monitor feedback on the new Loot system. And this appears to be a hot topic of debate. Blizz either needs to set a new rule to settle the debate, or find a way to make a compromise. Athíyk, came up with a great idea!
No worries. I have read the thread. I just can not see how anyone can decide for someone else he needs in item or not.
The current season is an exceptional season. We kept the s3 raid with upscaling ilvl on the loot but kept the same outworld without upscaling. It is an intermission season where blizzard is buying time. You can fairly asume for the future LFR ilvl will be below open world ilvl again. This season is the exception.
That’s why there is a discussion. Only Blizz will decide on how to go forward with it.
I have a big collection and how I got it, by being efficient. There is content that has to be farmed when it’s current and content that absolutely shouldn’t. Some examples of what should: rare mounts (absolutely easier when there’s more active players, groups going and them not getting one shot etc.). Stuff that shouldn’t: RNG gear in raids. Seriously. It’s a HUGGEEEE time waste. You are spending hours doing something that in a few expansions you will be able to do in 20 mins max.
Wrong. This has been the case forever. I mean: Hunter loot - anyone heard of it?
It was a major issue in the first LFR - Cata DragonSouls raid. People brought friends with them to said LFRs to roll Need on their behalf, and trade them the items.
We all pay to play the game, in one way or another. No one has the right to claim “My reason for playing the game is better than yours, so I’m entitled to more loot than you are.” The game has always been a time sink. It’s also always had gold sinks. The weekly vault, and old times bonus rolls, are our personal bad-luck protections (even if they are bad at it.)
The only fair conclusion is to have personal loot in all automatched groups at least.
The biggest issue with the personal-loot-only system for organized groups has been the inability to trade gear with higher ilvl then the toon who got dealt the item. It’s the only thing really that have to change to make personal loot work - to remove the ilvl restriction for the trade.
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Sounds like you need to do some Mythic dungs and find out about the Catalyst
A level 70 char might not be powerful enough to solo a level 60 raid.
Gearing bothers me, too, especially that feature I didn’t even know of where an item becomes untradeable if it is an ilvl upgrade. Dumb system and cost me many good, potentially motivating but thus demotivating loot opportunities.
Where group loot is active (with the current system) there’s no ilvl preventing trade.
I’m not sure how personal loot works anymore though. If an ilvl upgrade is still getting soulbound or can be traded.
Wow is garbo now hence the 200K subs world wide. I will not resub until wow 2 if ever that happens. Game used to be good but the same recycled trash keeps happening every expansion. Its like putting lip stick on a pig.
Link to your source?
Didnt ask. Didn’t ask.
Samael, my Hordie commrade.
I understand your feeliings completely. Especially the part about keyboard warriors on forums. I assure you I am not one of those seeking validation as you described.
I am genuinely interested in what you have to say about this. How long have you been playing wow? Or MMORPG’s in general?
It is a time sink, like you said and it always has been. I’ve been playing since vanilla days and one of the things I loved about it was sinking my time into an immersive experience, which in a way is true of all video games, books, movies, comics etc. The reason why I spent so many days, weeks, months, years on wow was because the players were such a key part of that immersive experience. I’m not talking about hardcore RP players who have read all the books and can quote… whoever.
Times have changed a lot. Not just in gaming but in society overall. Online gaming and socialising online used to be our thing, the gamers and no one did it better than mmorpgs and no mmorpg did it better than wow. You didn’t mind sinking a minimum of 3 hours a week into chasing an item by having to coordinate with 25 other people because if you didn’t get it that time… you had a reason to come back next week, which was fun!
Your story really makes me sad because I think it’s true for a lot of people in a lot of contexts. Have you ever felt that dating or relationships feels pointless or meaningless because all it took was a swipe left or right? Getting to chat with someone you like feels less rewarding when all you had to do was ‘slide into the DM’s’ instead of having to work and spend the time and effort going somewhere, finding someone and plucking up the courage to go over and talk to charm them?
I’ve thought about it and reflected on a lot of what you are saying. Fundamentally the game and its reward systems haven’t changed that much. What other options does the game have? Go down the route of ‘pay for play’? Meaning…if you don’t have the time but you’ve got the money… here is your God Roll Blade of OP.
I think what we are talking about is why pvp has become a lot more popular than pve. Quick, consistent rewards, bragging rights etc.
On the other end of the spectrum you have RP which has been in decline. Partly, I believe, because absolutely nothing has been done to help facilitate RPing in wow since its inception. It’s a niche, I understand but I also understand economics; niche = premium pricing.
So for Dragonflight I have considered committing myself to one or the other, maybe both on a ‘main/alt’ basis. If you’re interested start fresh and come join my Undead only guild 
If I was to ‘critique’ the developers at this point I would suggest to put a little more effort on enabling people to have more meaningful interactions with other players and provide a sanctuary from the 30sec attention span design of the wider wed. I think a lot of people would be happy to pay a higher price for a higher quality ‘social media’ and online gaming is the original ‘social media’ both literally and metaphorically.
If anyone else would like to chime in on this I would love to hear from you.
Just enough to make you cry, I hope.
Flagging that. Nasty little slur at my orientation there. Uncalled for. Hopefully they’ll keep you off the forums for a couple of weeks now.
I wanna know what would you do if you would get the items you missed out on, and let’s sweeten the deal; you get them in 90% less time. Just boom, hit a raid or mythic, loot the bis item you are after. Then what? You got the bis gear. Now what? Farm world quests 10% faster thanks to the dmg buff?
So I don’t raid, usually. I’m 10% questing 89% BG pvp.
Isn’t it part of the game to always have something to chase?
What’s this new “complete entire game in 5 weeks then wait 3 years for new content” mentality that’s taken over online games?
What’s the goal for people
Imagine using casual as an insult, maybe its time to log of and rethink life a bit.
You need a tissue baby?