Wait wait wait…so, if I think this through just a bit…Nathanos is guilty of the same stuff we as Hordepeople did….and he needs to die for it…Oh.
Looks I deciphered Blizzard’s BFA lesson, at long last…Blizzard subliminaly tells us Horde characters must collectively sudoku.
You guys go first, I’ll be right behind you.
Hmm I don’t know. There are several hints in the book that he knows very well what Sylvanas plans, and considers it as something good and important that has to be done no matter the cost. Even if he is shown to not always approve of the means, like the killing of innocents.
“We must save this world from itself.”
“Once her plans are set in motion, there will be more no pain, we will be free of the cruelties of this world.”
And even Sira seems to know: " Is this not the hell our queen seeks to correct? Is this not the hell she will save us from?"
I meant him lacking knowledge regarding the bigger picture as Roux clarified in the interview.
This bit:
Worst case scenario, might still be him being delusional enough to think that whatever Sylvanas has planned, is indeed positive.
This would still make him be the biggest fool in history, but well.
Why? Wouldn’t it be worse if he believes what Sylvanas plans wasn’t something positive, and still help her?
I think she told him that she has to “correct” or destroy the Maw because otherwise they are all doomed to suffer there forever.
I just don’t know if she really believes that ( if the Jailer has tricked her into believing it when they first met in Edge of Night ) or if she is lying to her loyalists about it in order to keep them in line.
I meant assuming he indeed didn’t know about the whole stuff.
No, it’s much simplier than that, if you’re turning against your former comrades you’re traitor to them. Especially if you try to kill a god of death which happens to be patron of other two sub-factions.
He is dead to the Horde now. Deader than he looks already that is.
As for taking responsibility for actions, I would want for Baine to also face some consequences for his behaviour.
That will never happen. Just like Jaina and Anduin he is a pet character of the current sorry excuses of writers we are forced to deal with.
Oh, I see….So you won’t be joining us in our…redemption?
To bad, man…I had a surprise worked out and everything.
Ah if only…but as Erevien points out, he’s Jaina and Anduin’s pet and he will not be brought to heel anytime soon.
The best thing I can hope for is getting my Grimtotem warpaint to symbolise my current distaste for it all. (And maybe some actually interresting tauren characters to enter the stage …but I’m not holding my breath)
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
you mean seppuko, i personally wouldn’t hesitate to sudoku!
No, I ment Sudoku, start sweating!
As a side, in seriousness, I always knew it as Harikiri, before I learned Sepukku from these 'ere forums.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Was that mentioned in the book?
If so, then that’s a guaranteed redemption right there.
It’s what Sira says to Nathanos: “Is this not the hell our queen seeks to correct? Is this not the hell she will save us from?”
And I think the chance for redemption depends on the question if she lied about that or not.
I mean it has been hinted often, but I’m still against an ends justify the means approach, especially when it’s about mass genocide. Sylvanas has been glorified enough in the past years, time for her to go.
I don’t want the players to save the Shadowlands and then Sylvanas take credit for all of it and say that was all part of her plan.
I don’t disagree. There’s still the possibility they go that route, but I rather doubt it.
If it’s her plan then she should take credit for it, why not? The same way she takes “credit” for Teldrassil and all the bad stuff she’s done, it’s only fair.
If that is enough to atone for her sins, that’s another story. But if her plan is to save Shadowlands and she gets the player to help I see nothing wrong here.
But then again, I refuse to enter the Sylvanas hate army. The same way I refuse to see every character in white and black. We all have good and bad in us. It’s only a matter of which side is most proeminent.
I feel it’s much more common to refuse to see black and white at all nowadays. 
When you downright deny her the right to prove her motives, however absurd that might sound at this point, that’s seeing white and black.
Even the biggest criminals have the right to be trialed. Take Shadowlands as a trial, if you will.
To be honest, i think the motives don’t really matter when you kill tens of thousands of people (if not more) in a way that tortures all of them to death.
And, as far as we know, the shadowlands were doing their job fibe until she started messing with forces beyond her understanding in Stormheim during Legion.
For me it looks like she saw what was coming for her, and decided she’d do everything to avoid her (in my oppinion) deserved fate, while selling it as saving the world to her closest followers.