He is the most important character of the Forsaken next to Sylvanas and hasn’t done anything actually bad so far aside from being snarky and angry at the PC. Genocide and all that is the fault of Sylvanas so he’s free of burden from that angle. Make him our new Forsaken leader. Please blizzard pls.
Northgrave should lead the Forsaken (to extinction). He is the most important undead poster of this forum next to Uruk and hasn’t done anything actually bad so far aside from being snarky and angry at the hordies. Genocide and all taht is the fault of Arthas so he’s free of burden from that angle. Make him our new Forsaken leader. Please blizzard pls.
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I feel personally slighted by you now. I’m undead too!
But i can agree, Northgrave is far more undead and more important than me!
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Oh, sorry, fixed that.
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Help, I’m being bullied.
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I am actually serious with this request here. The worst Nathanos has done was shouting angry stuff. If blizzard cares to develop his character beyond his love to Sylvanas he could actually grow into a real lore personality.
He killed Zelling. Justice for Zelling!
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Killing his cousin(?) to take his body, ordering warcrimes, following the worst Warcriminal in WoW’s history (yes, Garrosh pales in comparison).
In my eyes that’s more than shouting angry stuff.
Done by Sylvanas.
So did the majority of horde players. Still we don’t get deleted from the game. So what?
Garrosh has done exactly the same crap as Sylvanas did. Worst even he was full of racism and wanted to exterminate anyhting non Orc. But we aren’t talking about Sylvanas but Nathanos here so stop switching the topic.
That cousin died from life drain from the Val’kyr. All Nathanos did was taking the energy Sylvanas gifted him. Unless you want to count not having emotions for his cousin a crime too now.
It should be Bolvar to lead the undead.
You read it here first.
How about basic campfire? We might be able to ressurect it as an undead basic campfire.
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This is true tho.
Has Nathanos done anything other than the same kind of stuff half the Horde did during BfA?
I mean, as players, we’ve done much worse stuff than him.
And i also agree that if Blizzard developed traits that made his character abandon ship regarding Sylvanas, i don’t see how would he be any less salvageable than, say Liadrin, Geyarah, or any other top general that supported Sylvanas almost until the end.
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But at this point of the story even Kel’thuzad is more likely than Nathanos to be the Forsaken leader 
honestly it shouldn’t be Calia, Bolvar or anyone else with a clear Alliance past either (although Lillian Voss could be good, or another Dark Ranger loyal to the Forsaken and the Horde), but Sylvanas and Nathanos’ story with the Forsaken is over at this point. He’s way too blindly loyal to her to even consider that, even after a possible redemption (for him or Sylvanas too). No more mistakes that could lead the Horde into another civil war soon, please…
but honestly the Forsaken have to rebuild their “kingdom” in Lordaeron first now that there is peace. They have to choose a new capital (like Stratholme if they are free to go there thanks to the help of Calia for example) or build a new one from scraps (like making Andorhal into a proper capital city, or Alterac could be good too) if cleaning and recovering Undercity is not possible at all.
Wasting time thinking about a new leadership/government is pretty useless if you are going to rule over nothing and the people is unhappy…so they have to firmly reestablish themselves in Lordaeron first and then they can think about whom is going to rule them, and their new direction as Forsaken post-Sylvanas era. But Blizzard said this will take a long time, so probably it will happen after Shadowlands when we come back (and same for the Night Elves)
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If he had changed sides before or during the standoff at OG, i would agree. I honestly hoped for that. But now he ran after Sylvanas like a puppy to continue doing her bidding, and that, in my eyes, makes his character unsalvagable.
Remember Terror of Darkshore. “We will hold this ground. For the Horde.”
And then he was shortly back in Dazar’alor with tail between his legs to steal spotlight in cinematic from Rokhan.
And if he would chose Horde over Sylvanas it would make him more tolerable. But this entire time that was wasted on him, just to enhance that all he cares is sylvanas only instead of preparing actual forsaken replacement means that they learned nothing from Vol’Jin’s death.
This is true. Nathanos doesn’t kill his nephew ( and let’s not forget, Stephon would have killed him as well if he got the chance ), he doesn’t even recognize him at first.
And when he does, he actually does feel something. Pride, that he became a paladin as he had wished as a child. And later, also regret, if only briefly and as much as he is still capable of such an emotion.
I have always thought of this as an exceptionally cruel act of Sylvanas. She gives Nathanos a new body, but at the price of destroying the only connection to his former life he had left.
Actually, he has not. But the difference is that the others thought they were doing it for the horde, and for their people.
As did I. If not for the horde, then at least for the Forsaken. So much buildup for a character and all for naught in the end- it just feels like such a waste.
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Remember they did the same to Vol’jin. Lots of wasted potential.
Wouldn’t say he is unsalvageble. I think he still could have a last minute change of heart regarding where his loyalty lies.
That said, i find it highly unlikely at this point, given the writers and the overall tone being set for both him and Sylvanas.
I’m not going to blame an ingame character for the decisions made by the writers that decided to put him there.
Much like i don’t blame Saurfang or Zekhan for hogging the spotlight and wasting storytime by creating some tangential plot that could’ve been solved if the final confrontation had happened as soon as Sylvanas ordered the catapults to open fire against Teldrassil. As it should’ve.
And i stand by what i think regarding Nathanos Blightcaller as a standalone character: had he remained as Horde general (flaws and everything), i would still think he impersonates rather perfectly what i would i imagine a Forsaken commander to be.
Yes, snark, sass and all.
Just because i prefer some other story doesn’t mean i’ve turned numb to what other themes have to offer. Nor would i so readily discard them if they are not of my personal liking.
If we are to have an expansion that heavily features the Forsaken leader managing the Horde, I’d expect a prominent role for a Forsaken general.
Honestly, i may need to go over the short story again, but i fail to perceive all the emotional baggage people give regarding Nathanos killing his cousin.
Much like it happened with Lillian’s father, that dude was already turned into some fanatic bent on exterminating Nathanos and everyone that had his same condition.
At said point, it all seemed rather distant. Emotionally speaking.
Well, up until the very end, i was under the impression that he too didn’t grasp the full scope of Sylvanas plans and was only following her out of pure, raw and senseless loyalty.
Guess the upcoming novel will probably clarify he was in it all along (hope not), but i think that his stance during the entire war could’ve been perfectly seen as his particular way of “doing it for the Horde”, much like every other warmonger was doing up until the end, if the writer had wanted it.
What do you mean? Old Soldier was the best cinematic they released in BfA span and received lots of positive feedback, and I agreed that I’d like something more Alliance centric instead of Lost honor one. As for the escape questline? I agree it was bad and I wish it was done differently but I was too hyped to get cool cgi troll finally and making him appear in game. Zekhan didn’t give plenty of World Quests in Zuldazar and didn’t hog attention the same way Nathanos did.