The need’n’greed looting system in lfr, stinks…
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True, true, I feel you bro.
100% facts, they need to switch it back
For LFR personal loot could work fine but for normals, heroics and mythic I think it should be up to the raid leader, personally I would take ML over PL anyday as I would actually see some loot in a run.
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I can see people just need on everything 
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I remember when it was implimented and people said personal loot stinked make up your mind people 
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No reasonable person said personal loot sucks. People just asked for the OPTION, to add master loot in their raid. Master loot is horrible in pug scenarios and personal loot is horrible for organized guilds. I don’t see why it’s so impossible to just have both options.
That’d be the 0.1% that does RWF and/or the ones selling raid loot.
Personal Loot WITHOUT trade restrictions is that they asked for.
An old system proven too cause problems is what the obtained.
Some asked for PL no restriction, Some asked Master Looter.
Nobody asked for Group Loot.
We have used this system for x amount of xpack’s before and it DID NOT WORK, that’s why they fixed it.
Some ppl complained about the drop system in M+ dungeons. That did not get changed.
On average you get the same loot as before. Now the rolling need is just a conscious decision rather than being done for you in the background.
But ones again. It’s interesting that this is a problem in LFR… doesnt seem to be a problem in normal and HC… must say something about the people that do LFR…
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I did 8 raids over the last 2 weeks, ONE item.
On average you get the same loot, distributed over a LONG raid period.
You can go weeks and weeks without loot and that sucks HARD.
That one week you get lucky and get 3-4 items is NOT a justification for not having loot the previous weeks…
It feels terrible.
And people has had the same horror stories with personal loot, your point?
You atleast obtained items with Personal Loot.
Usefull or not, you had something to show your effort.
Every raid you had one item, possible 2.
If RNG was on your side sure… you could also go multiple raids without anything.
And when you did your 8 raids, did you need on everything you could, or like 4 items that were an actual upgrade?
No way.
Every 10 boss raid was almost (99.99% sure) garuanteed to give you one item.
I need everything I can.
Ahh the wonder of rose tinted glasses… someone has clearly forgotten the 100s of posts that went like “waaah, I’ve killed 25 raid bosses and no loot yet, why is there no bad luck protection”
It’s funny how quick people forget…
Unfortunately it is LFR mentality - anonymity. In organised groups a player would be called out and ignored.
Where…
And NO loot =/= NO useable loot.
I’ve raided entire Season 1 till mid Season 4 on 3 chars.
EVERY raid I’ve received an item, sometimes even 2 or very rarely 3.
The ppl are their hyperbole complaints 
Mathematically it also is nearly impossible to not receive an item in 10-11 bosses, let alone 20+…
Quite frankly, that is why this and similar posts should be utterly ignored… the people doing this clearly dont have the mentality for an MMO imho…
I think group loot should have been for premade groups only. Trying to communicate about loot in a random group is pointless and often leads to someone rolling need just so the other person doesn’t get the item.
in that case everyone on the forums is unresonable because I remember watching it create a toxicstorm of anger.