Despite the 12(!!) buffs to starsurge and the forgotten 33% dot buff you sneaked in for 11.1.5., the spec still does mediocre damage for its hideous survivability. Meanwhile Ele shamans and Mages (except fire) which are absolutely dominating 3s, as well as hunters and SPs in solo shuffle, are staying untouched.
Buffing FR is no solution, as afking in bear or getting a “big” heal every 90s does nothing for it’s survivability. Well honed instincts get procced by 2 globals from any melee. After getting healed back to ~80%, they just press another 2 globals and I’m already back to <40% health.
You balance the dmg from other classes around the tankiness of classes that can trade 4+ shildwalls and can press (multiple) immunities. Meanwhile you refuse to give boomy up-to-date defensives and just watch them getting deleted from all those classes you just gave a nice dps buff. Just do something already. It’s been almost a year and a rework and you still didn’t adress the core issue with boomy.
is that so? i fought couple of balanced druids few days back and non of them cast any spells, everything is instant one button press. despite all my defensives burned in the first few seconds of the fight , i still died. how do you people ask for even more power wen you are already powerful enough?
Do you think your games at Rival-rating SoloShuff are a good foundation for reasoning? If you can’t counter boomy as a warlock, especially on low damp, you’re doing many things wrong. Lock has a tough time rn, because its counters are ovetuned S-Tier specs atm. Not because of boomy lol.
But I’m kind of tired of arguing with people, who never srsly touched boomy and think dots and instant casts are everything a spec needs, while the top Classes do the same or more damage, while being 5 times as tanky as boomy.
Boomy R1s and PvP communities such as “Skill Capped” are pointing out boomys crucial problems for months now. Boomy representation from 2.1k - 2.7k in Arena/SS in the gutters. But yeah, I guess Boomy is fine because you die to them at Rival rating on a class that isn’t doing do hot aswell right now.
omg another one who is flashing his rating… well i don t live my life on youtube and pvp channels like you do, im talking about world pvp and personal experiences. if you think youre so serious about this, make a warlock and fight against druid yourself, any kind.
i think you re the one whos not doing something right with your class, thats why you came here to ask for more power
Boomy is doing ok at the minute it just has the same problem as lock/sp that it can be tunneled having 2 burst cds is pretty insane especially for shuffle and the damage rotation is very simple something has to go if you make it tanky.
You shouldnt rating shame people either when it takes you 1200 shuffle rounds for 2200.
Well you certainly live it in Forums. If all you care about is world pvp and personal experiences as an average rated player, maybe stay away from tuning discussions in a ladder/tournament based game if you don’t have to share a valid argument for the topic.
well it seems to me that an average player such as myself is much more qualified than you are, since i have less than 100 rounds in solo shuffle at a little bit under 2100 rating compared to yours 1200 at 2200 rating
but by all means, keep saying funny stuf about you
I don’t rating shame anyone. It’s just tiring if ppl trying to argue with nonsense arguments and don’t add anything substential for the discussion. People need to learn that “lol I got outplayed by spec XY, it’s broken” isn’t an argument, especially on lower Ratings, where heavy mistakes are much deciding than game balance.
Nothing wrong with pointing out serious problems of your spec, even if the specc is doing “okay”. Or do you want to see the same 5 speccs at the top for the whole expansion with insane representation numbers? Kinda boring if you ask me.
Lastly, it took me about 80 games for 2,2k, after having a rough start at elite mmr. I’m just sitting there, experiment with builds/talents/hero specs. Sometimes I fall back to 2k, win 6 games and back to 2,2k Mglad Lobbies, which are tough as boomy. You should maybe check rating progression at Drustvar instead of just number of games and rating at pvp check. Getting the facts before typing is good I heard.
I get what you are saying but the top boomy in shuffle is rank 6 currently so its not as bad as you are making out its harder to get there as its not S tier but boomy is one of the most obnoxious classes when it becomes S tier id even say worse than ele/fury as you jump around been immortal 1 shotting everyone every incarn and spamming clone in between.
You can be 2200 and be practicing but to shame people and call them average when you are average yourself just does not make any sense your class can be good into certain specs and worse into others the top boomy is 2750 so you can make it work for 3s who knows maybe its just 1-2 more DH buffs away from been a boomy/DH meta again.
“i don t rating shame anyone” but my only argument against people who dont think my class needs more buffs, is to bring up their “low” rating value and shut them down because rating is what matters most wen making an argument
Agree, top players state that boomie need some survi buffs, but they also said (btw 2 rounds of boomie dmg buffs ago) that moonkin do not need any more dmg. Now boomkins dmg is too high , and defence is below average.
Btw as a Dk player , it makes me sad when anyone complain for lack of defensive buffs. Boome at least have additional mobility. Dk have 30% wall every 2 minutes and amz and ams.
Not only do they have highest dmg they also have the best cc in the game. If we start asking tuning for boomy, one would be lowering its instant dmg and dots for one thing, also boomys are #1 dps right now on 2700-2800 depending which mode are we looking but op dont show to have arena exp or arena played and current highest is blitz so thats statistics for blitz.
The person you are trying rating shame is right, boomy is not doing so bad that they would need buffs, also you got two seasons played as total in this game, blitz/shuffle on one character, the 1200 played 2.2 shuffle also means absolute nothing. Lets just drop the egos and not make comments like this, there is no need for it anyway, you can discuss about ladder statistics without bringing rating to it. These are public information for anyone to study and by that I mean he doesnt have to have your 2.2 shuffle exp to read statistics to see boomy is not on top prio in dire need of buffs.
If you both want to classify this a shaming, fine whatever. For me it’s bringing up a flawed argumentation. Saying “The class is fine, because I got stomped at 2k rating” is the same thing as saying a F1 car is slow, because my mom can’t hit 200 Miles in it.
Sure, you can say I’m average aswell, but I’d say playing at the top 10% and the top 1-2% is a difference when it comes to understanding balance. That and close communication with MultR1 Boomys, AWC Competitors and Finalists, who all say Boomy is in the gutters due to it’s survivability.
Ofc we have really good hard maining boomies who are able to hit top ratings, but in overall representation it’s a different thing. We have 35 boomys (with alts) in 2,4k+. With not even 2,3k rating I’m sitting comfy in the mid Top 100 boomys EU.
It was never intended to be a “boomy is the worst spec on earth” post. It’s adressing the needs boomy have atm. I mean they nerfed cloning which hit Rogue/boomy hard. Was the only R1 comp we had in S1. They didn’t give us anything viable in return. And now you say buffing DH is the solution? They’re far better off playing with other specs.
I would be GLAD to trade BGB AoE spam and Incarn one shot potentials for more defensive options.
Thats not true DH has a few comps it can play yes but its main ones would be ele/dh Boomy/DH if it becomes strong warriors are getting a nerf and we might go into a caster meta which again favors this comp you cant use statistics for boomy representation because its again a low attraction spec that not many people will play unless its broken op.
You only need warriors and a few other offenders to be nerfed before Boomy defensives start been good again in 3s and in shuffle well a lot of specs have the problem boomy has and they have not been adressed either but it requires a full class redesign to add immunities to every class.
We could see some DH/ret again which would be bad for boomy but it will be bad for a lot of casters.
also i understand where the top 50 of your spec comes from but you are 500 rating below the number 1 spot a random 2800 xp spriest can roll boomy and take your spot if he chooses to thats why you cant cant take them ranking seriously.
the only one who has a flawed logic and argumentation is you.
for me personally and my personal opinion without bothering any self proclaimed high rated pro player Karen, i feel balance druids have a little bit too much right now because like i said: the player didn t cast a single spell so my felhunter was there just for the soul link. the instant high damage was more than enough to burn trough all my defensives really fast and no i didnt overlap those and i used my shield with stone and soulburn (but who cares anyway)
and in response i get the typical Karen answer " oh your rating is to low to join this argumentation" get over yourself Karen and try to bring a better energy to your needs and claims and learn to take “no” as an answer
not to mention you find excuses wen your own rating was being questioned
You don’t need a immunity, but higher baked in damage reduction and dispell protection would be a nice start.
Also most duo melee comps with a warri aren’t boomys problem. It’s by far the best match up you can get, since you have a good kite toolkit. It’s the sticky/mobile melees and/or caster lobbies that are troublesome for boomy. Since every caster, expect firemage, can outtrade boomy with defensives.
So no, a warri nerf doesn’t make necessarily boomy better.
Also, who can and can’t take my spot and be good on boomy is a speculative argument. It’s hypothetical and irrelevant. Boomy representation is a fact in numbers, and it’s a low attraction spec cause it’s currently made out of paper and gets tunneled 24/7. It’s not an easy spec to get into higher rating atm. Camel just talked about this at a stream few days ago. He rolled a DevEvoker and said it’s been a different game to boomy. Way easier to get past 2,2k in 3s. His words.
You do need an immunity for class balance to be a thing as you say because the cds for your class are either passive or on a much lower cd than immunity’s if you made barkskin a 40% wall do you really think it can stay on a 1 minute cd and useable in stuns?
Or if you take 20% less damage passively in bear form these abilities would just be stronger in the early game but still weaker in the late game take mage for example its blocks are on a long cd to compensate it been an immunity.
Ret/warr is insane into boomys and yes feral/rogue comps are too but they counter everything because their kit needs a redesign I don’t think you should be struggling vs double caster when playing dh/boomy or outlaw boomy, ele comps are definitely a problem for you tho.
And ye well that’s because dev evoker uses like 2-3 buttons and its stupid class design id say lock has it the hardest right now out of any caster and lock is not even weak just hard countered by the meta.
They should just rework “protective growth”. This hero talents gives you 8% damage reduction aslong you have your regrowth on you. So you are suppose to use your insta regrowth after 5 surge casts. They need to change it to something like: After 5 starsurge casts, get a hot for ~8 seconds that reduces damage by 15%. It’s about not dropping below 50% life after 1-2 globals.
Wouldn’t be mad about an immunity either. But I think a bit more passive damage reduction could go a long way.
Would that not mean that every incarn you also have a 15% wall on top? The problem with it is you can’t have passive damage reduction and an immunity it would need an internal cooldown or you could just keep it at 4 stacks in between incarn and use it on setups with bear form or stack it with barkskin and boomy would be immortal again.
Just seems crazy you want boomys only weakness removed if it’s possible to survive untill incarn when it’s the strongest spec in the game during it then it wouldn’t really have a weakness and outlaw/boomy would just be insane again too.
You would be able to just watch a ret paladin run to your healer to hoj press star surge and bear form and tank the entire go and still have barkskin if they both pop cds and your healer would be able to sit it full coz of frenzy regen.
Also does that mean that boomy should not be able to drop people to 50% in 1-2 globals during incarn? And vs caster cleaves you would have that buff up pretty much the entire game.
