I hate this nonsense, class difficulty shouldn’t mean a class should always be in the gutter. Elitism just makes more people leave the game because they don’t like META classes they don’t matter like at all until you start doing the sort of content less than 1% of people do.
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They overdesigned a lot of specs which literally need high end playstyle to pull of comparable damage to a bm hunter who just pressed anything of the 3 buttons lighting up.
This is the problem with all the classes that has auto attack built in because it is intended to close the skill gap since half their damage is coming from normal attacks which is outside of the player’s control so they can’t rly do bad dmg even if they are bad players. If you play bad with a caster your dmg will show it.
who has current tier sets though outside of absolutely top mythic guilds.
most people are super lucky if they have 2 set .
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last time they tried to simplyfy classes it absolutely backfired on them due to asmongold and his streamer buddies.
if so many people have so much fun playing DH or BM then maybe its time to move other classes in this direction
instead keeping abomination of classes like arcane mages in their current form in game.
all classes should be simpler.
wolk classic has absolutely bare boned easy rotations yet its super satisfying to play .
time to make retail great again - and easier.
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Not really. Get to 2k rating. Which is bonkers easy. Its ~ do everything on 16 and some 17s.
And catalyst is available in week 1. BAM. 2-peice.
And if you raid, even if its normal you can have peices drop. Or some LFR wings.
There are quite a few people that already have 2 peice. And next week, with the 2nd charge of the catalist most people will have 4 peice.
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I don’t understand the awkward playstyle of some specs either and the overcomplication of aoes. Like you said mage ye it needs to set up like 5 spells in a correct order to do decent aoe while many other specs has so effortless aoe this is just not fair.
What makes and have always made BM unique is that it is kind of a melee ranged hybrid. It has ranged attacks but everything is instant cast which makes it super mobile. Its strenght has been for many expansions that it does suffer very little on forced movement so with this design philosohpy on fights which aren’t movement heavy it should not be top dps(it climbs to the top on heavy movement fights where everyone elses loses a lot on movement). But with modern raid bosses and m+ design there is literally no fight which would not have tons of forced movement like dodge void zones or move to soak locations or anything. Either gimp BM movement with adding cast skills or make other classes way more mobile as well.
How about other classes? 
some of them don’t have buffs and are garbage (all mages are A tier). Frost mage is very easy and do big damage in low keys and high keys. Are you sure you aren’t invited because you are a mage and not because of your score/past score/ilvl?
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Destro lock tier is bad and destro locks are bad rn even without tier.
This topic is not about me or mages it is about BM hunter doing superior damage while bringing bunch of utility and has very easy playstyle. All of this makes it a must have pick over let’s say a mage.
Nobody is saying I’m not invited or anything. I’m almost at KSM just by doing one week. ran multiple 17-18- keys over the first week even 20.
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are you suggesing that frost mage needs to use more then 2 buttons to make big bad boom aoe burst ?
BM should always be the worst hunter specc.
It has no drawbacks:
Pet class so never gonna have agro issues no matter the damage.
Ranged while moving.
Extremely simple rotation.
If it has these things+some of the best damage it’s just really frustrating for classes who have major drawback on top of having a much harder time performing still get left in the dust by BM hunters, drawbacks needs to come with a higher potential reward, otherwise why not just run 3 BM hunters / 3 havoc DH?
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actually yes since I have to cast frozen orb + comet storm drop blizzard for starters then have to shatter with ice nova + frost nova then into a cone of cold to reset the cd and do orb + comet storm again and in between have to flurry to apply debuff to cast glacial and lances to get the icycle stacks back up which is an awful lot more than what you a BM hunter has to do just spam multi shot to trigger beast cleave and then spam kill command.
I’m literally casting like 6-7+ spells in the aoe rotation. Funny thing is that I like frost rotation now it is not that but BM should not out dps me with spamming 2 buttons period. Either redesign bm give it more stuffs to cast or turn half my spells into castable while moving. Let’s not talk about annoying stuffs like frozen orb can get stuck in any object and do no dmg or the mobs are dragged away from it and my blizzard so they are rendered useless. I have to walk up to melee range to cone of cold else it won’t hit 3 targets to reset the cds etc. You can’t brainlessly play frost like you can BM.
Wont deny it. Did not deny it before either.
All is said is the value of how bad is “bad” cant be based off of some simulations done in the PTR. We need raw data, which we will only begin to get next week.
Also, Warlock has an important distinction of having 3 DPS specs. Because then what matters is if any other spec is very good or not. EG: Destro might be “good” but if affliction is “better” then nobody plays Destro and everyone plays Affliction.
Kinda like Evokers. Everyone wants Aug. Nobody plays Devastation. Not because its not good (its actually A tier) but because Aug is S tier. At least that is the community perception.
So in that situation, I would compare Warlocks with other classes. Not specifically Destro.
Because Demo is doing just fine. Ive seen some crazy numbers coming from them in M+. So be flexible. You cant expect Blizz to tune every single spec perfectly. As long as 1 of the Warlock specs is good, its the best you can expect from this imperfect world.
Mages were meta last season and they most likely will be this season, buff to evoker and getting buff from DH.
Warlock gas 3 specs, 2 of them are unplayable
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What are you talking about? Destro had literally crazy aoe with Rain of Fire which refunds the shards itself. All you had to do is spam it after applied immolate on like 3 targets.
Also demo is like one of the highest dps specs right now.
you also forget that mage got changes in 10.1.5. From launch until that point (cca 8 months) frost and fire were completley bottom dps. People were forced to play arcane which is atrocious. Also fire’s playstyle is garbage too they need a complete redesign. It might do good damage but feels meh.
The fact that you claim BM uses only 4 buttons says enough.
You are just biased (and probably jealous) and don’t really know the first thing about the spec.
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Haha, Destro and affliction are f tier
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The OP has made the same thread countless times and shown proper information about BM spec and just chooses to troll post instead and ignore it.
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It’s not that far of the truth.
and then you compare it to stuff like this:
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