Hello … as an enhancement shaman there are 2 options.
Dual wield and two handed weapons.
But the balance between these 2 options is totally broken.
Dual wield specialisation rune provides too much benefits. It is ridiculous.
Increases melee and spell hit chance by +10% (this alone is stronger than most other runes)
But it also: increases offhand damage from 50% to 75% factor. (Rogue must spend 5 talent points to get this, warrior must spend 5 talent points to get only half the effect)
And it also makes stormstrike to hit with both weapons. Makes no sense because dual wielder also gets lava lash spell to compensate the “loss” from stormstrike.
In addition the frequency of maelstrom stacks is also much higher on dual wield.
So the solution would be remove maelstrom stack procs from offhand auto attacks.
Then also remove the 10% melee hit chance.
And reduce offhand damage to 62.5% (like fury warri talent) instead of 75%.
Then there would be a chance that DW and 2H spec would be more equal.
I am not sure if they added this rune to troll every other class on the game or maybe they are really clueless of how fairness works.
2hand mastery rune is also pretty good, but still far worse than DW rune.
So your solution to get the DW closer to 2hand is to gimp DW?
Amazing.
How about buff 2hand to get to the level of DW?
I personally always loved to dual wield with all my characters, feels much better than swinging a slow @ss two handed weapon every 3.6 seconds.
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So you think it is fine that 1 rune provides +10% overall hit chance, +50% offhand dps, and also adding the factor x1.75 to stormstrike? It is clearly too much, no wonder that there are 10+ threads about nerf shamans
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dude. thats the dumbest argument ive seen to date. nerfing DW will not make 2hander better wtf…
you are right tho. 2 hander sucks balls. always has. they promised to make it viable. they failed. again.
It will make 2hander better in comparison to DW and that is my point here.
2hand mastery rune is already pretty strong, asking for even more improvements would be insane imo.
It provides +10% spellhit, +10% attack power, +30% attack speed. I mean wtf why can somebody not see that this is already too much for 1 rune, and it is still weaker than DW rune.
You do realize that 2h spec provides +10% hit too with 30% attackspeed?
only spell hit and not melee hit. for DW it is both
2h doesn’t need that much hit anyway.
As for the OP, you will get a lot of support to get Shamans nerfed in any way on these forums, that is for sure.
The fact that you wanna roll the dice and ride the Blizzard 
balance roller coaster makes me think you must have lost one of your marbles.
But hey! More power to you if you wanna live the dream of P1 Shamans!
yes and why? the extra 10% miss chance for auto attacks with DW was a basic mechanic in wow to compensate the gap between 2hand and DW. but it seems blizzard said “hey we will mess with this basic mechanic by just adding +10% melee hit on top of many other strong effects!”
Nerf the combustion engine, my horse can’t compete!
So yesterday the guy that owns the farm next to mine bought a new, shiny John Deere tractor. Personally I prefer to use horses in my work. That’s what I grew up using, and by golly that’s what I’ll use until the day I die. But there’s just one problem. My neighbor’s John Deere and my horse aren’t balanced. His tractor has a diesel engine putting out over three hundred horsepower. My horse has - you guessed it - one horsepower. ONE.
The combustion engine provides too many benefits. It’s ridiculous. Not only is it much more powerful than my horse, it doesn’t need to rest, the guy can just fill up the tank and keep going! Hell, the thing can even drive itself! Than son of a bee sting can sit back, drink beers and the flipping tractor will do all the work for him.
You know what Cinnamon (my horse) does if I leave her to it while I drink beer? She starts mowing (eating) the grass instead of tilling the field! Not to mention the fact that if I have too many beers I might fall off the horse’s back and injure myself.
The solution to this problem would obviously be to limit combustion engines to 1 horsepower in order to provide a more level playingfield for us farmers. And GPS functions as well, if I have to figure it out myself then so should my neighbor. Oh and starter motors. Make them turn that engine over by hand.
Then there would be a chance that horses and tractors would be more equal.
I’m not sure if they invented the combustion engine to troll every bio machine farmer or maybe they’re just clueless regarding what is fair.
Steroids are pretty good, but horses are still far worse than tractors.
wow… the neighbor had to buy his tractor for tons of money, so it is clear that he can do more efficient work.
would you consider your scenario as fair when the neighbor gets his tractor for free and you get a horse for free and then get told they are both viable? or would you be pissed?
in my case both runes are provided for “free” so they should be somehow at the same power level.
Have you played during P1? Do you know how far behind Enhancement was from other specs back then?
It needed a lot of help and by some miracle Blizzard did give a lot, much more than they did for resto or elemental, that’s for sure.
And now the spec is actually up there being strong and you want it nerfed to make another meme spec competitive, that is asking a bit too much.
Some people are already having panic attacks every time they read Shaman buffs in the patch notes(even changes that are justified that is), and you want them to nerf a strong spec to match a crummy one?
How about you keep playing the crummy spec you enjoy so much and let the dw fans have their fun as well.
If you really like 2h I’m sure you will enjoy it regardless of the output.
That’s the problem here… i can’t enjoy a thing that is by far inferior even if i try to force myself.
And by looking at what the problem between these 2 specs is i clearly found out that it is not the 2h mastery that is too weak - it is the DW rune that is too strong.
Nerfing DW wouldn’t take 2H from the bottom of the meter though, you’d just have more company down there. But misery is a thing best shared I suppose.
Like my suggested changes would take the spec (which is rank 2 now in ST over last 7 days 90% percentile) down to bottom lol.
It would affect about -15% of auto attack damage, -40% stormstrike damage. And then overall -6% through miss chance (which can be mitigated with hit gear, like every other class has to do)
And then maybe some minor % loss through the less maelstrom.
Overall maybe -7 or -8 % dps reduction?
Cant compete Lmao. I saw 2h enh deleting ppl in PvP in one global 
Mb u just need good 2h upgrade for good dmg
Yes this can happen… assuming you have 20% crit chance then there is a 20% (0.2) chance of triggering 2 extra attacks to stormstrike. And the chance that all 3 attacks are crits is about 0.2x0.2x0.2 x 0.2 = 0.0016 out of 1 (=0.16%)
So yes 1 out of 600 people can be a onehit wonder if bad geared.
But i am talking about raid dps here anyway.
More like 1 out of 2 hpns on daily basis
Since most shaman spells hit hard enought to global ppl without wf procs i can tell
tbh i smell an alliance player posting on his alt shammy, trying to get nerfs through under the guise of “buff 2h”
this is the only explanation.
hey lets buff holy paladin by gutting ret as well, bigbrain5head.
just shut up , if you want to play the meme spec do it but don’t call for nerfs to a class that sees light after 20 years
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