Hey, horde player here and I feel that emfh is way too unfair in pvp in wotlk. Please address this issue.
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Roll a human.
And will of the forsaken or orc racials werent OP at all in classic am I right guys?
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You’ll have your will: Every Man for Himself will be renamed in Wrath Classic!
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Every Person for itself
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Nope. It’ll be called the same as it is now in Retail … will of something? Don’t bother looking it up now, sorry.
Will to survive I think my Tauren friend. It’s an unnecessary change imo and nerfing it would be even more unnecessary.
We totally agree, my good man.
Dude, perception is the most broken racial that has ever been in the game and noone cares about it, because loud minority keeps beating the dead horse that WOTF and orc stun resist is better than having a stealth detect, while knowing that at least 70% of the 2s ladder consists of rogue teams, they won’t change anything.
WotF is much better that perception, except when you are a rogue yourself. I look forward to EMFH.
Nerf your face.
I have always wondered why people think emfh is so good. I mean, it shares cooldown with the actual PvP trinket, which means the racial is only as good as whatever new trinket you will put in the slot, that is taking into account that you lose the stats as well from the actual PvP trinket.
So which trinket out there is better (in PvP) than something like wotf+PvP trinket stats?
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The problem is PvP trinkets are complete garbage in comparison with PvE trinkets (especially the ICC ones). Having one + Medallion is very strong, but with EMFH you can have two at the same time which is crazy. You lose some resillience in exchange for huge firepower. The 10% damage reduction from players when wearing two PvP trinkets was a remedy to this but was added in later expansions, Cata I think.
Just a few examples and you decide if having two of those over PvP trinkets isn’t too strong:
Physical - Death’s Verdict, Deathbringer’s Will, Sharpened Twilight Scale
Spell - Disloged Foreign Object, Phylactery of the Lich, Charred Twilight Scale
Utility - Bauble of True Blood
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Its worth adding that You can have two versions of the same PvE trinket: one from normal mode, the other from HC mode.
Some have shared CD tho. Double Paragon proc was nothing uncommon, but double DBW proc is impossible to get I think, correct me if I am wrong. The same for using two Baubles, these definitely have shared CD.
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Thanks. The thing here is, though, while you might be gaining some fire power from one of these trinkets (I am only going to count one as PvE trinkets being better than PvP ones is a whole other topic and can be obtained no matter what race you play) there is just no way in this world you could convince me that if there was a trinket with resilience+wotf effect any of these trinkets would be better in PvP.
I might be biased about the power of wotf since I spent many years as lock, but some of the other races as well do have some neat racials, including fire power ones.
In all seriousness, there’s no need to convince you. People knew it was the best at the time, and in 10 years of private servers this hasn’t changed.
The ToC and ICC trinkets where so powerful that they literally made the difference between a team, with no changes, being 1800 or 2100. Healers with 2x MP5 trinkets. casters with 2x spellpower trinkets.
The entire last 2 seasons of WOTLK where dominated by casters comps - playing a melee was close to impossible. Casters with 40% haste would kill people in a blanket-counter-spell, which was entirely why they added DR/trinket to silence effects.
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Again, it is one trinket, not two, and if you think wotf doesn’t often change the entire outcome of the game you are clearly clueless about PvP. I was playing on 2.5k+ in wotlk myself as a lock, and I never felt gimped without PvE trinkets.
In all seriousness.
Funniest thing I’ve read all day btw, especially considering DKs were by far the most OP class throughout the entire expansion, even post nerfs.
Also:
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did you just find the forums or something?
Adding a second PVE trinket is multiplicative, not additive. being overpowered doesn’t mean unbeatable.