I’m not disputing that at all. What I’m saying is that completing it seems to be more a skill issue than a gear issue, so spending a lot of time (and potentially gold) going after specific pieces of gear may not solve it. And I’m also not saying ‘git gud’, but rather that, as it stands at the moment, it may be that the vast majority of us are just not good enough to complete it.
Also, I’m pretty sure they’ll make it more accessible, over the next 3 weeks and maybe even more so over the Legion TW events that are to come. Even without the complaints about difficulty on the forums, their own data will show the low rates of completion, and probably also which accounts are completing it. They want it hard enough that the most skilled players can do it early and feel challenged, and then they’ll gradually reduce the difficulty for the rest of us. It’s the same process as they use with raids.
Are you happy with that situation? I cleared it relatively early on in Legion and know the fight (I’ve not tried this time). It shouldn’t be that way. As someone who has played DH to a decent level since its birth (Curve, 13-15 M+, some Mythic raid kills) I’d expect to do the MT with a little time and effort (I am prepared to buy consumables) .
I am above average in this class. From what I am reading I am concerned I will not be able to and personally I think that is wrong.
Now in Legion I did it on 25+ classes the majority I’ve never played. That was a bit too easy then. There is a middle ground.
How can this be the case though? The last phase is a 100% dps burn, and nothing else. If I get him to 10% without BIS items for it, and people BARELY kill him with BIS items, how is that a skill issue exactly? I would understand your arguments if it would concern P1, which is nothing but a skill check. But the last phase, is just a dps race, and nothing else. I just tried now with Unbridled Fury, and it was a perfect attempt, but still can’t kill him, and I won’t even try anymore till they give his hp atleast a 10% nerf.
I also did it in Legion. with far worse gear. It was hard, but doable. I saw room for improvement, and I managed. Now, I won’t even try until they nerf it.
Yes. I don’t feel a need to complete everything (or anything) in game in the first few days after it comes out. I find the sense of achievement, and associated satisfaction, from finally completing something that I had to work very hard at is a lot higher than if it came easily.
I’ve never seen mage tower as being content for ‘above average’ players. Whenever I’ve seen people talk about it, it’s always been with the implication that you had to be pretty good to complete it. According to my M+ score, I’m quite well above average, but there are still more than 4,000 havoc players who are better than me. If they haven’t completed it already, I would expect it to be extremely difficult, close to impossible for me.
As I’ve already pointed out, it’s been ‘barely’ done WITHOUT BiS items. The difference is most likely down to your rotation not being flawless.
And don’t you think that’s too much for something advertised as doable from level 45+ ?
I am enjoying the challenge but the challenge tuning point should not be “barely” especially not barely for really good players and good optimized characters. BIS items should be the " i took my time and gold to farm BIS so i can roflstomp the mage tower", they should not feel like a must to less skilled players trying to compensate.
I would be okay with the boss tunings if they were part of a gear progression for solo play, the tuning is just out of place considering the type of event imo.
Exactly how I think aswell, couldn’t have said it any better.
Timewalking was usually good for 2 things. 1 being nostalgia if you have seen the content, and second being to experience it if you haven’t. Usually it was a joke content that didn’t really require and skill.
I’m not expecting to go there naked and 1 shot it, ofcourse not. But when I saw it’s gonna release, I thought that it’s gonna be easily doable, as in how it was back in 7.3. with Antorus gear.
For new players, they would still struggle as they don’t know mechanics.
For players that did it, it would be way easier.
I thought I could do it on all my 12 chars tbh, as I already did all of challenges in Legion (8/12 classes done, all specs on each class).
Right now, some are so insanely tuned, that it’s borderline impossible to do them without perfect execution. I already spent around 100k for all consumables and gear, and due to my very hotblooded temper, I have probably caused for 100+ EUR of damage in my apartment.
I won’t set foot again until it’s nerfed because it’s actually driving me crazy.
As I said in another topic, don’t over stress, do some tries when mind is cool, when you are getting tilted go do something else.
I started playing Valheim again, relaxing and distracting, what I needed.
Today I did like 5 tries at lunch and then 4 after dinner, all were sub 5% so I just needed to keep chill, and it actually happened.
I never stressed to complete it day 1, did not touch Druid for quite a few days the last week.
Spread a total of 30~ try across various days, doing other things as well.
Don’t give up, you will be more satisfied if you kill it now than after like 30% nerf.
I could do it if I could be bothered, but I don’t consider the rewards to be worth the time and effort involved. If there had been a new feral druid form, I would have parked my druid inside and not left until I’d completed it, but as it is, I’m having more fun doing M+ TW.
Level doesn’t make any difference. We’re all squished to level 45 when we go in.
It does in the sense of possibilities of acquiring a vast array of gear, it is way harder for a level 45 to be anywhere as optimized as a level 60 that is downscaled into the Tower.
Ok, thank you for missing the point by a mile.
Also, maybe they are not “optimised” in the Timewalking sense, but their character are for sure more optimized than the majority of the players.
They have mostly 252 gear, which anyone who has been running M+ and/or mythic raid throughout 9.1 should have, plus maybe a couple of 259 pieces. Hardly anything special.
It demonstrates that it’s possible for people who are willing to put in the effort.
There’s nothing special or different about the people who are completing mage tower, other than the commitment they’ve made to learning their class/spec(s) and playing it well. Most of us are used to being able to faceroll the majority of content we play, whereas mage tower has a very small margin for error. That’s the only reason it’s difficult. It punishes mistakes; most content doesn’t.
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