This is just not true. There’s plenty that defines them.
And I’m not even someone who’s been asking for high elves all these years.
I already explained there’s going to be plenty of blood elf exclusive options. Nothing is lost except the ability for horde to mockingly claim ‘if you want high elves, the horde is waiting for you’. And that, imo, is only a good thing to be lost.
Which wouldn’t really be fair, would it?
I mean, I don’t want to look ungrateful for that compromise, but HOW Blizzard does it (WHEN they decide to do it) is completely up to them. I mean, we know for a fact that they didn’t just want to copy Blood Elves and give them to the Alliance. So giving these skin options to Void Elves and thereby following a proposal of the more modest part of the High Elf-community (compared to the fanatics among them, who… basically demaded to make Quel’Thalas part of the Alliance), was a great compromise, as far as I am concerned. From my point of view, to ask for more (like hair colors or Blood Elf options) would be just ungrateful. They found a way to give High Elves to the Alliance without the need to focus on them as a “major player” or even a faction in the story. That privilege is (and should be) reserved for the majority of the Quel’dorei - the Blood Elves!
So it’s not about “being unique as Blood Elves”, but “being unique to the horde”.
I agree that “all new skin tones” is a bit too much. Just having two or three “normal” tones would have been enough in my opinion.
I wasn’t talking about you But just as there are arrogant smart-a.sses in the “Pro High Elf faction”, there are ignorant know-it-alls in the “Contra High Elf faction”.
Well, Blizzard could have united them and continued their story. An example: After Alleria’s visit in Silvermoon, the void incident at the Sunwell and the Void Elves joining the Alliance, Lor’themar and Thalyssra are worried and create a magical barrier around the Sunwell to protect it from possible void forces or ren’dorei agents. Though the existing High Elves do not feel anything change in their magical addiction yet - they fear that this is Lor’themars long term plan (Which of course, isn’t). Instigated by a furious Alleria (and uncertain what might happen to them) they embrance the Void under Allerias and Locus Walkers tutelage as a “way out”, thereby ignorantly taking the same risk that the Blood Elves took with Fel magic. That would not only incorporate them into the Void Elf story and make sense from Allerias viewpoint (after all, she hasn’t been on Azeroth since the Second War began), it would also mirror that the High Elves only believed to be better than the Blood Elves - not to mention that it would make the Alliance the instigator for once.
On the contrary, I think, they might use the Void Elves to give the Blood Elves more “profile”. I’ve always had the opinion that the races in WoW lacked distinctive features, not visually, but in the way the act and think.
In my opinion, Fantasy, in a way, needs clichés. Wild orcs. Arrogant elves. Rough dwarves. I think, they’ve started to go in that direction in BfA. Suddenly, the Forsaken have an identity crisis. Saurfang reflects the orcish path and the lies it was built upon. Baine talks spiritually about “his nature”. The Nightelves show the fangs and Tyrande goes rogue. I think the Ren’dorei could really help Lor’themar to (re)define what makes the Blood Elves Blood Elves.
I think they had just finished that beautiful Model of hers and given her back to all the Warcraft 2 Fans ( ), so they couldn’t just… make her look like a drowned corpse permanently.
Not to disappoint anyone, but those new blue eyes for belves/velves aren’t even the same as Vereesa’s. I was looking at her model today in Throne of Thunder and she has an actual pupil with baby blue color and normal whites of her eyeballs. Even the hue is wrong.
That’s probably because she uses an old model. I think it’s save to say that Alleria’s eyes are “legit” High Elf eyes - why would they create blue eyes, make an official post about giving them to Sin’dorei and Ren’dorei alike, if they weren’t the real stuff?
Yeah, I guess you’re right. I was just mentioning this as a halfway joke, if someone wanted the plausible deniability of “it’s just multicoloured glow, they’re not ReAl high elves”.
And sure, I am happy for people. But as mentioned, blizzard have now showed that they’ll bend their knees to enough outcry and whine… this is just the beginning. As we already see, it has already begun… the demands, the further whining.
No… there just would not be any need for further whining because Horde would already have access to the Blood Elves, is what I am saying.
Also it does help that the race is on the same faction. Otherwise we might as well start arguing whether it would be totally okay to just give Alliance orcs as well, and tauren.
There is something to be said about faction identity too, but that is not what we were arguing and is just adding to the bickering.
No, Void Elves should be given their own custom made pale skins, with minor void touches here and there.
It would keep their theme and look much cooler overall.
The High Elves do not care about the risk in regards to the fel. The Quel’Lithien High Elves hated the Blood Elves because of the siphoning magic from living creatures. The Silver Covenant hated the Blood Elves for joining the Horde. Quel’Danil… eh, they just don’t practice magic at all anymore and are largely irrelevant.
You are aware that Blood Elves have existed since WC3 and then since TBC? They don’t need Void Elves to further define them.
All Void Elves are doing right now is just being Alliance Blood Elves. It was bad enough that the High Elves still existed, although they should not, but atleast they were only NPCs and thus would not be granted any extremely relevant spot.
Yeah, lore characters are no metric for how a playable race should actually look… atleast not 100%
That is also how she is presented in the comic “Three sisters”
And I believe this is how High Elves are actually supposed to look. They are not supposed to have a glow, atleast not the civilians and rangers, they are just supposed to have normal humanoid eyes, except the magical elves.
Seriously, I don’t see the problem with that. They’re not bending their story, it was them who kept the High Elves “alive”. And asking for something, advocating for it - how is this a bad thing? Supply and Demand - just like the upright pose for Orcs. And hopefully, someday, playable Ogres for the Horde
Agree to disagree.
Well, Blood Elves were syphoning life, Fel Magic consumes life, it’s not that big of a difference when the outcome is the same. And after what happened with Kael’thas and the Sunwell, Fel Magic shouldn’t be that popular among High Elves, don’t you think?
And what did they do most of the time? Exist. Likes the gnomes. With Lor’themar being afraid of Sylvanas and letting the others decide everything, despite being the proudest and longest-living race in the Horde.
Right in the Neighborhood of Light-infused Draenei, mirroring not only the two opposing forces, but also their original races’ introduction in Burning Crusade. Don’t you think that this was also done to create some friction in the Alliance, when the time comes?
Normally I’d agree. But Alleria is basically the prototype for a Void wielding mortal, that should have some weight in terms of representation.
Orcs should have been upright from the beginning, and there wasn’t much bending involved. You would see an ‘upright orc’ thread twice every year and they would always die.
Fel magic does not consume life, but fel magic is fueled by life, big difference. And yes, fel magic was not very popular among even the Blood Elves. The reasons the Blood Elves rose up against Kael’thas was exactly because he succumbed to fel and joined the Legion, as the chronicles state it.
Lor’themar did not get much screen time but the Blood Elves did, they were quite active through TBC. Wotlk and Catalysm was silent, although they did have the Sunreavers in Wotlk. Mists of Pandaria got very active, WoD too, Legion too, BFA too.
That is the definition of the Void Elves I want to keep, which is why I want to keep them looking voided, and not just like Alliance Blood Elves. Visual cues are as equally important… if not important than some racial tag when you crossover the race.
As said, when they all look like normal Blood Elves or High Elves, blah blah blah, then there is no ‘Void Elf’ anylonger.
Not at all.
Again, we have Sylvanas as the leader of the forsaken.
Lore characters are kept pristine and looking familiar… if we were familiar with them from past titles, of course.
This is why Illidan does not look different from Frozen Throne where we saw him last, and Sylvanas, and Kael’thas, etc etc.
Khadgar though actually looks different! well… from WoD and after atleast.
Just like High Elves were there from the beginning?
A difference that doesn’t matter in the outcome, since you have “less” or “tainted” life and… more Fel magic.
Yeah, but I mean… what did they do that only them could do? Or what they could do better than others? What defines them? Gnomes are engineers, Forsaken have the plague, Nightelves have Druidism, Blood Elves… ?
It always bothered me that Kael’thas was the last Blood Elf with a real personality. I’m not saying I dislike Lor’themar - his arrogance regarding “the boy king” was a refreshing change - but what I’m saying is: They could be so much more… “elvish”, whatever that means
And everybody who wants to play a Void Elf will play them that way. And I agree with your prediction that Blizzard will use Umbric and the “tainted” forms to show their future actions as a faction.
That’s why I don’t understand why the option to embody as High Elves (in Roleplay) is such a big storybreaker for you.
But there would still be the option to play them. I know that Pandaren players are rare, but hell, I enjoy playing my pandaren as main characters - why would I care how many of us are there? We’re basically playing a neutral race.
Yeah, he was the first Night Elf Demon hunter, that’s why the look of all the other Demon hunters is inspired by him, the prototype.
Just like the Dark Rangers share a similarty with Sylvanas. Both examples were “followers” were created in the image of the “prototype NPC”.
You don’t necessarily have fel magic just because you siphon magic/life.
Just look at Illidan in the Legion flashback quests, it involves him siphoning magic from his own Moonguard mages, or ‘siphon arcane’ as the spell is called when he does it. He did not cast fel after this.
Life energy is just a fuel for fel magic, but it does not produce fel magic upon being siphoned. It would seem there are more steps involved than that. Which steps are hard to say, there are no official lore on it, but it does require more steps that much we know.
It ruins what the Blood Elves are and will ruin what the Void Elves are.
The common forsaken undead were followers of Sylvanas but looked nothing like her, as her “prototype NPC.”
Sorry, I should have been more specific in my post. What I meant by “outcome” was:
The creature who died doesn’t care if its life force is stolen to satisfy a magical addiction or to fuel Fel magic - it’s dead either way.
Or it may help them to develop a sharper “profile” in comparison to each other. We’ll have to wait and see.
Yeah, but you can’t really compare that. Alleria and Umbric are both Elves, while Sylvanas was an Elf turned into a Banshee bound to her former body, while the generic Forsaken is an undead human corpse.
Still, Alleria seems to be special, since she has not shown any form of lasting void corruption despite draining a darkened Naaru.
Truly a suprising outcome that you’d never expect from a High Elf discussion.
It wouldn’t do to have everyone’s favorite zombie waifu actually look like she’s undead.
Sure, but then you’d need some lore explanation on how more Void Elves are created.
For example, I wouldn’t mind if they say that the hair of these “normal skinned” Void Elves change because they are exposed to Void Energies while studying in the Telogrus Rift.
As long as they give us the pitch black and snow whitehair… Blizz Plzzzzz.
It even fits the Void theme. Black because it’s dark like the Void.
And white because the hair is “drained of color and vitality” by the Void exposure.
Something like that.
We won’t get that regardless. But Void Elves should get more customization options, and they should get something that is unique to them, not something that is copied from the Blood Elves.
It’s not confirmed or anything but it seems very plausible that it’s like this:
Blue Skinned Void Elves: 1st Generation. The original followers of Umbric who went with him into the Telogrus Rift and was trapped by Void-Prince Durzaan. Then almost transformed into Void creatures, but saved by Alleria Windrunner and the Champion of Azeroth before the transformation could be completed.
They then set themselves up in the Telogrus Rift, continued their studies of the Void under the tutelage of Alleria Windrunner and Locus-Walker.
The Normal Skinned Void Elves: 2nd Generation. These are the High/Blood Elves that traveled to the Telogrus Rift in order to study the Void, the ones we can see in there today. They are taught by Umbric, Alleria, Locus-Walker and the 1st Generation.
They were not present when the 1st Generation was trapped by Durzaan and they weren’t transformed by his ritual.
They might have some physical markers of the Void because of the energies they were exposed to in the Telogrus Rift, such as hair and eye color, but not to the same degree as the 1st Generation.
So while I wouldn’t mind normal hair colors, I’m fine without as well…
I’d just like a pitch black one and a completely white one. It’s cool and it fits the Void Elf theme, and they are different from the Blood Elf hair colors.
They look fantastic! Thank you
Y’all don’t be greedy. We got the beautiful blue eyes finally and y’all want " I want red eyes too" " and I want more costumization too" " but the hair looks bad" Please… try to appreciate things. I can see Blizz wanted to make us happy with these changes. it’s not that hard to say thank you