Well if that’s the case it could be easily fixed with a glyph of some sort, I assume!
The technology for THAT is certainly already in game.
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That the technology exists is undoubted. The question is whether they should. This is attempting to allow players to pretend they are not what they selected. The new skins still don’t allow void elf players to pretend they aren’t void elves after all.
Because they are, in fact, void elves. Now maybe the option to toggle Entropic embrace will be provided. It could happen. But all that does is facilitate the illusion of not being a void elf. Toggling the graphic doesn’t change the voices, or the emote, or the flirts, or the jokes. It doesn’t even change entropic embrace , which would probably still trigger under a toggle system even if the effect itself weren’t visible. Even were it to happen, that player would still be a Void Elf, which is why were it to happen I would expect the same community to come back looking for further changes.
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Since there are several glyphs that change the way Shadowform affects spriests, transform a voidspawn into a lightspaw, make souls change color to mana and fel, and others can even change a Moonkin into a pretty Astral figure, I can’t help feeling that a bit of variety in how Entropic Embrace is displayed could be managed - while of course never being fully removed.
But I understand what you say about demands being met usually being followed by further demands. I guess what I was trying to say is that I feel that since the game is ever-changing, people are always free to politely (can’t stress this enough) offer further options, advice and compromises… as long as they understand and accept that Blizzard will have the last say on it. And truly, a customisation glyph would really be a SMALL thing, hence in my opinion worth making if just a 10% of the void elf users might be interested. 
Personally, I would love MORE VOID for my velf alt (lol) or possibly extra eyes and spikes as seen on Silverleaf’s twitter.
Demands, accusations and drama is obviously a totally other thing.
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Didn’t Keal’Thas also had a major crush on Jaina?
Valeera also is tightly tied to Wrynns, sure it might be not romantic but that is elf that puts her loyalty with humans at first.
Maybe elves do find humans to be attractive after all.
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I believe so, but he didn’t act on it because of the age/species difference.
I might be misremembering.
She doesn’t put her loyalty with humans first… She puts her loyalty with her friends first. There’s a difference.
She was a close friend of Varian, and now she helps his son because of that.
Well, I personally don’t doubt that cross-species attraction is very possible among High/Blood Elves and Humans. Physically they are very similar after all.
But I think in most cases it is never acted on because of the extreme variation in life expectancy.
The entire lifespan of a Human isn’t even a third of the entire Elven lifespan, what would be the point?
It would be the equivalent of us as Humans having relations with a species we might find attractive but who would age and die in about 10 years.
No, not really. Valeera is only loyal to Varian/Anduin because of the comic story with Varian, Broll and Reghar.
I know her backstory but the fact is that she ever since she appeared in game she was mostly working for Alliance or Alliance leaning organisations.
The best she had had was Rogue order hall, but besides that, she was appearing on Alliance side many times, and she is even one of the big figures to defend Stormwind in Horrific visions.
Ahh that reminds me…Shaman also used to have a glyph that would make your ascendence form look like an elementally empowered you, instead of like some creepy wow version of freddy krueger with bad animations….I would really like to have it back.
Don’t even recall an explanation on why it was removed in the first place.
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But it’s not really a small thing. Technically, sure, it is a small thing. It’s a switch to turn the effect on and off. But it’s the wider implications of that concession.
How far should Blizzard go in enabling players to deny they are what they have selected? I mean, like it or not, they are still Void Elves. Void is a part of the fantasy. It’s a part of the package. It would be akin to looking for Mecha Gnomes without any robotic modifications, Lightforged Draenei that aren’t lightforged, Undead that aren’t actually dead.
Blizzard may do this, absolutely nothing stopping them beyond themselves. But just because they can do it doesn’t mean they should. Just because there are players asking them to do it doesn’t mean they should either.
And yes, this is just the latest in another long line of demands on this topic. First it was the model. When that was achieved it became the skin tones. Now that is achieved it’s the racial and the hair tones. If that is achieved it will be the jokes and emotes. If those are achieved it will be the demonym. To what extent must the Void Elf be hollowed out to appease some people?
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It’s not that easy to compare. A toogle that turns the visual effect on/off could work, but dilutes the void theme, which is kinda meh, but acceptable.
If you’d change the magic type of entropic embrace you would simply change the whole race into a light/arcane/nature elf because you’d remove the void theme completely, which simply don’t fit the whole VE race and also new apprentices studying the VOID.
You are indeed 100% correct in that, though lets remember the standard of the writing at the time, -Everything- has to find humans attractive. Its why I can never watch the old Star Trek series’ seriously, (Well one of the reasons). -Everything- in the entire cosmos, even races with no prior contact, finds Captain James Tiberius Kirk sexy.
Just What?
Jaina is that level depth of character, she isn’t a serious, well developed character, or was not at that point, she is just a cipher. Same as James T Kirk is not actually a well written character, and wasn’t, until ironically the new reboot of the films.
Lets also remember that every single Elf who has fallen for humans has also been proven to be mentally unstable.
- Kael’thas, well, I mean, you don’t go much more mentally unstable than allying with Demons.
2.Alleria “Gee, See this really dangerous source of power that even -demons- are scared of? I’m gonna eat it and see what happens”
3.Vereesa, “I don’t like the fact that some of my friends and extended family didn’t go Vegan, I think this is a justified reason to murder unarmed civilians who have no connection to this fact” - Sylvanas.
I don’t think I really need to explain why Sylvanas is not normal in the brainpan, but yeah, no Elf with a romantic design on a human has been shown to be what we would class as someone in their right mind…
Valeera doesn’t really count, as stated, that is a -friendship- not a romantic leaning. Its a strong one, sure, but then both being slave gladiators together will probably do that…
Interestingly we have there got a situation where someone is a Blood Elf, but is ostensibly Alliance.
Like I say, and like I have always said, eye colour has -nothing- to do with political allegiance.
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I also have no idea why the forums reformat my typing, when I am quite clearly typing numbers, and instead start posting it wrong. 
I am honestly confused, but maybe you can help me clear my mind on the matter.
I am going to take the Demon Hunter class as an example because I feel it is heavily based on FEL, which is its fundamental base. No Fel = No DH.
And yet we have:
- Glyph of Mana Touched Souls
- Glyph of Crackling Flames
So why not a chance to ALTER Entropic Embrace?
I’m not suggesting to cancel it, but to make it less/more intense (think Glyph of Shadow for spriests), or alter it somehow (Glyph of Stars for Druids) without denying the racial theme.
They’d still be Void Elves… but one could argue that since they are supposed to represent Wayfarers who joined the void studies after the first group was transformed, they may not have been transformed as heavily as others.
I am totally fine with how they look now and would rather have more void leaning Glyphs for myself. But that does not stop me from thinking that some milder version could still be feasible if someone else prefers it that way. It’s just visual animations, and I am certain there is room for some sort of compromise on the matter if Blizzard wanted to go that way.
Their choice whether to do it or not, of course. I am not directly interested and just brainstorming here. 
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The answer is pretty easy.^^
Glyph doesn’t change anything but the appearance of the souls you still draw them out of the individual with fel magic, maybe with the same technique BE’s used to drain mana from living creatures => manatouched
Here we find 2 possible options, DH’s also use arcane magic, for example their runes which keep the “demon soul” under control, leading to “arcane fire” or we can argue that demons also use regular flames and not just fel flames.
If you wanna compare it with “Light”-Entropic Embrace you would have DH’s transforming into angels for example.
As I said even hiding would be kinda okayish, reducing+enhancing (both options) the effect would be my way to go, but changing it into light-/arcane-/naturethemed as some people ask just doesn’t make any sense.^^
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Well, in the Star Trek universe it’s only logical that the different species would find each other attractive…
Because 90% of them are just humans with a different paint job…
I think it’s a bit far-fetched to correlate “liking Humans” with “mental illness”.
Human/Elven relations are rare indeed, but I’d guess that has more to do with extremely different lifespans than anything else…
Humans and Thalassian Elves are so incredibly similar physically that it’s only logical that cross-species physical attraction wouldn’t be abnormal.
I’d say the rarity of Human/Elven relations has more to do with the extreme difference in lifespan. As it would equate to a Human dating a sapient humanoid that would be born, age and die within the span of one decade.
There’d be no point to pursuing the relationship.
But sure, for some it’s probably racism directed one way or the other. But I can’t help but think that in a world where there are walking, talking cows and blue people with tentacles in their face from outer space.
The people who look like you but with longer/shorter ears aren’t the ones you’d find most unappealing.
I wouldn’t say she’s “Alliance” though… Has she even done anything against the Horde?
She supports Anduin, sure, but that’s due to her friendship with his father. Not because he’s on Team Blue.
She even laments the Horde and the Alliance fighting each other if you talk with her after Wrathion shows up in Stormwind.
It saddens me that the Alliance and Horde can only seem to set aside their differences in the face of total annihilation.
If we do prevail against N’Zoth, will you yet again turn your blades on each other?
And previously she’s said this:
I am neither Horde nor Alliance. What has either faction ever done for me?
My loyalties are personal-- To King Varian and to his son!
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Or with a Cornish Pasty glued to their head, aye.
(Yes Klingons, I’m looking at you)
True, but it is a thing. 100% of the Elves who have been into humans have been absolutely hatstand mental. I mean if this was a scientific study, that would be the sort of figure that would make a scientist go “Maybe this is actually a sign of insanity, I mean literally 100% of people who think that way, are mentally unstable and become a threat, we should look at this!”
No, of course not, but it was -specifically- about the human-elf thing, not about all sentient and sapient species on Azeroth as there we’re having to enter rule 34 territory and someone somewhere is bound to have a thing for murlocs…
Ehh, No more or less than your average Stormwind citizen. I mean that’s where she lives, she hasn’t done much to either faction, but that is where her loyalty stands. She seems pretty apolitical, but she is a Blood Elf, who lives in Stormwind, so naturally she crops up as an oddity.
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Where have anyone said that void/high elves should be the only allied race to receive updates? You’re usually good at citing sources for your claims, and asking others to do the same.
I’d love to get to play as a high elf paladin, but I get why it’ll be weird. If customisation restrictions were set in place, it could work. The lore vaguely supports the notion, but it’s only vague, and I, for one, will accept not being able to play this combination. I’ll still want it, though. Paladins are cool, and Alliance races that can play them look bad.
Agreed. But it does make sense.
No thank you. Especially if paladins are out of the question. And fel green eyes belong to such a tiny minority of the minority that make up high elves, we’ll do fine without them.
These jewels are fabulous and iconic, and very, very sin’dorei. These belong to the blood elves, and perhaps some nightborne elves. Give these two races more opulent options please, and let’s keep high elves a bit more ascetic.
Give all Thalassian elves face paint and tattoos in different colours according to race and faction, and I’ll be thrilled.
Give blood elves more options first. And let’s keep our options different across the factions.
This is ridiculou! Although the Horde can absolutely take the Exodar if you want it. I don’t actually believe anyone would even notice.
Either instead of this, or as true to playable high elves as Blizzard is able to make these new void elf options.
Blondes, reds, auburns, browns - the colours that the Thalassian elves can naturally get. This is a reasonable request at this point.
Absolutely not. But it’s something we should be able to choose, if this is going to be what the playable high elves will be.
I’m happy, even though I’ve argued that this would be my least favourite way of meeting the request, because we risk not actually getting high elves, but rather yet another sub par compromise (not that void elves in themselves are sub par anything, but as a compromise for high elves, they are). I don’t want to sound ungrateful, but I also want to argue the case to make this done right. If these are the playable high elves we get, they should be playable high elves.
I get your point. Totally.
Kael’thas’ face runes from the TBC box art should be made into blood elf options!
Not if these are the playable high elves we get. Then it should be proper high elves.
I agree, but I don’t see how we can’t have both. Let’s keep all the genetic features the same between high and blood elves (perhaps except the golden and green eyes), and keep cultural features more unique to each, such as hairstyles, jewellery (ears, necks, bodies and more) and beard styles. Keep the blood elves’ options more lush and opulent, and let’s allow the core race to have access to a lot more of these cultural features.
And people will choose the ones that they want.
Valeera has a latin last name that Blizzard tries to pass for Thalassian. She should get Med’aned just for that.
Valeera seems to be extremely supportive of her people.
She wails on Broll when he insults the Blood Elves and the choices they had to make.
She proudly presents herself as a Blood Elf.
She does seem to have a lot of loyalty to her people along with the Wrynns, but not so much the Horde or Alliance, because as she says it, what has either faction done for her? Her added notice while in Stormwind being a sarcastic answer of: “You’re people have been SOOO welcoming”
It would still be interesting to see where her loyalties would end up being if she had to choose between Anduin and the Blood Elves.
Sure, but worded like “100%” it sounds like a lot, worded like “4 people”, it doesn’t sound like much anymore…
I doubt those four are the only Human/Elf relations in the Warcraft Universe.
It’s just that those four are the only ones we know of in-lore. The only “major players” so to speak.
Beyond strange that all three Windrunner sisters like a Human man though.
Self-insert by the authors much?
Sure, but when it comes to interspecies relations, I’d imagine that the “Humans/Elves” thing would be the most common, simply based on their extreme physical similarities. Even if interspecies relations in Warcraft seem to be a very rare thing indeed.
As for murlocs… I’m sure Sir Finley Mrrgglton could be quite charming. He has that whole “British Gentleman Explorer” thing going for him and there’s no way in hell he doesn’t have a dapper British accent.
Of course, but she’s still a Blood Elf and has some loyalty to her people, just not the Horde in general.
Just like she’s loyal to the Wrynn’s but not the Alliance in general.
Personally I think her loyalties would end up with Anduin, because of her close friendship with Varian.
And Varian has done more for her than her people did.
Though I imagine she wouldn’t make that choice unless Lor’themar flat out stated that “Either you fight Anduin or you won’t be allowed in Quel’Thalas!”
And that would be very out of character for him.
I mean all I can say Blizzard want to give both elves the high elf aesthetic. That’s why void elves need lighter hair colours (or simply just the blood elf hair colours or some of them) Because with their current hair colours they won’t have that aesthetic. I don’t want the blood elf hair style options or anything else other than lighter hair colours to match the full high elf aesthetic and the Alleria aesthetic since if she can have blonde hair (or any other light coloured hair) so can other void elves especially the new generations.
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