New customization options for blood elves and void elves

[Arwald-silvermoon (Arwald)]

Then you will be the faction of shorties.

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

Maybe, but at the same time I can finally remove my last elf character, since murlocs can be DH by canon.

[Arwald-silvermoon (Arwald)]

Ah I see but why don’t you like elfs ? I know it is wierd to see orcs with elfs. But they could be the best Horde race?

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

Edge-lords, enough said. Just look at the whole thread.

[Syleenia-argent-dawn]

@Seracia-draenor

Why would anyone want to play as oversized fish anyways…be my guest and take them if they come to pass, id like something normal next. We already have foxes.
Though as cute as they are i prefer playing races that arent as …animalistic

Be happy with the foxes we got gnomes with junk parts… xD

[Brigante-argent-dawn (Brigante)]

@Savotar-argent-dawn

I may misrember, I do remember Aethas being the deciding vote, but I do also remember him talking at length about the Kirin’tor’s neutrality, and how defending Theramore could breach that, but ultimatively reasoned his decision to support defending Theramore with the fact that not helping to defend Theramore, would be the same as aiding the Horde tacitly.

I think you actually remember it better than I did, that was his stance and reasoning, yes, my apologies. I just remember all the other Council members, who were nominally Alliance races being surprised at his vote.

@Leerena-aerie-peak

How I wish Azshara would just take over the world and kill Aethas, Lor’themar,Rommath etc. and unite all the elves under the name Quel’dorei- Children of the nobl

Hang on…wait a minute. That would mean the removal of the Blood Elves as a Horde race, and killing off their leaders, I thought we were all on the same page here that the only High Elf fans who wanted that were the utterly crazy ones, or did I not get a new memo or something.

@Lorthanis-argent-dawn

It’s what I like about Thalassian elves is that they look pretty on the outside but they aren’t really good in terms of human morality, especially after the horror of the Scourge Invasion. They all lost people they loved to that.

Its what appeals to me about them as well, they are much more like Elves from our real world myths and legends, and not some wishy washy Legolas wannabe’s.

@Leerena-aerie-peak

I’m surprised how the Windrunner sisters didn’t fell into depression after their entire family was killed by the Horde and the last remaining by the scourge.

Edit: especially Vereesa being the youngest how in the world didn’t it had an impact on her?!

Well they’re no different to any Blood Elf in that regard, with 90% of the race being killed I think it is pretty safe to say that -every- Thalassian Elf will have suffered that tragedy.

I often think Blizz sometimes throw around these figures ‘90% were killed’ without thinking what an absolutely apocalyptic event that would be for a nation. To give a small metaphor, I live in the 32nd most densely populated nation on the planet (the UK) with a population of 66 million. If we suffered a 90% reduction, to 6.6 million and that surviving population was spread across the country then I would be the only living person within 12 miles in any direction, even beyond that 12 miles there would be -One- other living person, It would be a catastrophic event that as humans in real life we simply cannot comprehend the sheer scale of.

I’m pretty sure -every- resident of Quel’thalas would be massively traumatised in some way or another by the Scourge invasion.

@Leerena-aerie-peak

Edit: omg I just realized every elf in Alliance has NO capital anymore.

Ehhh debateable…

The Kaldorei have just lost their capital, yes.
The Void Elves have a capital, but they were Exiled from it for being naughty, and then they rejected it by joining the Alliance.
The High Elves have a capital, but they were Exiled from it, and though the Exile has been repealed, they show no intentions of going home.

So really, only the Kaldorei don’t currently have a capital city, the other two either chose to reject it, or now choose not to live there.

@Vanalia-sylvanas

The Rift is not a capital? I meant the Void elf home in Space

I’d say its a bit grandoise trying to call that a capital. It’s like claiming that the Nightborne characters ‘get’ Suramar, whereas in fact Suramar is still a city full of hostiles in game, what the Nightborne characters -actually- get is a tiny square garden, smaller than Telogrus Rift even.

[Leíá-argent-dawn (Leíá)]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Its what appeals to me about them as well, they are much more like Elves from our real world myths and legends, and not some wishy washy Legolas wannabe’s.

They might look like Legolas wannabe’s on the outside, but they really, REALLY, aren’t.

[Brigante-argent-dawn (Brigante)]

@Leíá-argent-dawn

They might look like Legolas wannabe’s on the outside, but they really, REALLY, aren’t.

Thats what I mean, thats what appeals to me about Warcrafts Elves, they generally -aren’t- Good Two Shoes people who side with humans and Dwarves, I mean Tolkien’s weren’t so much either, but he did sanitise them, a -lot- in his stories, even the bad ones.

[Fweo-emerald-dream]

This looks really nice! Can’t wait for Shadowlands!

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

I am. But I would rather see Azshara destroy or kill every elf leader and unite all elves under the name Highborne-Children of the noble birth aka Quel’dorei in Darnassian and Thalassian. (Keep in mind the Highborne night elves were and still are Quel’dorei

Edit: by all elves I mean night elves/naga, high, void,blood elves and nightborne

[Lorthanis-argent-dawn]

@Leerena-aerie-peak

I am. But I would rather see Azshara destroy or kill every elf leader and unite all elves under the name Highborne-Children of the noble birth aka Quel’dorei in Darnassian and Thalassian. (Keep in mind the Highborne night elves were and still are Quel’dorei

Edit: by all elves I mean night elves/naga, high, void,blood elves and nightborne

I don’t think the Blood Elves are going to let themselves fall under the banner of ‘Quel’dorei’ again considering why they renamed themselves in the first place. They are also too proud to accept a leader like … Azshara?

This is out of genuine curiosity - why do you have sympathy for a character like Azshara but hate a character like Lor’themar? The latter is a war hero that earned himself the position of Sylvanas’ second-in-command. He was left to clean up the mess Kael’thas left behind and did so out of love and duty towards his people. Why would any leader deserve death for those things and to be replaced by Azshara, who has done nothing for the elf races but try to kill them?

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

Under Azshara’s reign the elves prospered. And let not forget how she tried to save her people after she saw how everything that happened was her fault. People say she sold her people to N’zoth but she didn’t. She said save me and my people or let us die. Lor’themar has done nothing for his people. Pretty much like Tyrande. They always sent others to do their dirty work for them. Out of all the blood elves I only have respect for Liadrin who honestly deserves to be the leader, she’s done more for the blood elves than both Rommath and Lor’themar together.

Edit: and we clearly saw how Azshara was done working with dark forces, but she took advantage of N’zoth and waited until she could kill him. She herself said in Ny’alotha that she’s done with dark forces. And blizzard obv won’t bring her back only to kill her.

[Leíá-argent-dawn (Leíá)]

So Azshara laughs at elves losing their lives, so we should all be under a vile witch like her.
No thanks, Lor’themar and Thalyssra have done far more for Sin’dorei and Shal’dorei than the b**** Azshara, could ever do.

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

And what about Elisande? She exiled her people and she knew they will become monsters but she didn’t care. Lor’themar as well exiled his own people yet he knew they could die. Azshara at least never exiled her people. And it was said that she was corrupted by Sargeras’s influence

[Leíá-argent-dawn (Leíá)]

@Leerena-aerie-peak

Azshara at least never exiled her people. And it was said that she was corrupted by Sargeras’s influence

So that makes the deaths of the none-Highborne of Zin-Azshari, alright? The deaths of people like Ravencrest and Dejahna is perfectly acceptable, because poor Azshara was corrupted.
So that means, Kael’thas attacking Silvermoon to steal M’uru is accepted, because the poor Sun King was corrupted by Kil’jaedon.

@Leerena-aerie-peak

And what about Elisande?

What about her? She’s dead and not the leader.

@Leerena-aerie-peak

Lor’themar as well exiled his own people yet he knew they could die.

They didn’t and the difference here is, just like Malfurion with the Blood Elves’ ancestors, he couldn’t lead a divided nation, with the risks of a civil war. The Blood Elves were desperate and everyone had to be on the same page.

Malfurion exiled the Highborne, knowing it could kill them and some did die, but they eventually founded Quel’Thalas.
The High Elves already allies in Theramore, Dalaran and Stormwind. They had all lost the Sunwell and they found ways of dealing with it.

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

I never said it was kk. But clearly if everyone else can be forgiven so can Azshara.

[Lorthanis-argent-dawn]

@Leerena-aerie-peak

Lor’themar has done nothing for his people. Pretty much like Tyrande. They always sent others to do their dirty work for them. Out of all the blood elves I only have respect for Liadrin who honestly deserves to be the leader, she’s done more for the blood elves than both Rommath and Lor’themar together.

Lor’themar has a tone of lore detailing everything he has done for his people. I would recommend Nobbel’s lore videos on him. He is actually one of the few racial leaders that doesn’t endanger his people with personal vendettas and storylines and acts on their behalf rather than for himself. I would take him over someone that struck deals with the Legion and worked with an Old God to turn Azeroth into the Black Empire again any day, lol. The exile of the High Elves was to prevent a civil war that would drive a race facing extinction into certain extinction - he was saving High Elf lives as much as Blood Elf ones, and even invited them back home when things settled.

Azshara is responsible for the deaths of many, many people, no matter the guilt she may or may not have felt over it, and is far beyond the realm of redemption IMO. The races of Azeroth want her dead, not have her as a leader. That’s why she serves as a villain. I say this as a fan of Azshara myself. It’s sometimes better they’re left that way.

[Leíá-argent-dawn (Leíá)]

Can she bring Ravencrest and Dejahna back as well as the Warriors, Magi and Priests, who fell to her wishes of wanting a world of perfection?
No - she can’t.

At least Lor’themar tried to invite the High Elves back and they refused. Their fate with the odd artifact in Cataclysm was their own undoing. Lor’themar already gave them an offer and they refused, threatening him with his life, if he was to ever return.

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

Killing Azshara would be the biggest mistake Blizzard would do. There’s more to her story. And no she never planned to have the black empire return, that was her plan to let everyone know she was planning to in order to kill N’zoth. That’s the reason why they didn’t killed her off, and I doubt they will bring her back only to serve as a villain and be killed off for good. Illidan also did a lot of horrible things yet he was still redeemed. At this point Azshara has more redeeming qualities than Sylvanas

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

I think you forgot why the refused. Horde players were sent there by Nathanos to kill them and retrieve something that “belonged” to him. And by that time the blood elves were part of the horde.