I saw a Tweet from Icy-veins that there has been released a new Warcraftlogs in game addon which shows someone’s logs in a tooltip, working in a similar way Raider,io addon works with its raid progress and Mythic+ statistics.
Before this addon becomes wide-spread in a similar way Raider,io addon became when it was introduced, I want to warn about the negative elitism which this addon will create.
Elitist behavior due to the addon
The most obvious first thing that comes into mind is that raid pugs will suffer immensely in the form of requesting a certain log color for their groups. They will only invite the players with the highest logs and gear for the difficulty they are going to raid, which will lead to the exact same dilemma about the Raider,io addon: “x/x normal/heroic/mythic or no invite”.
Excluding players
This will lead to that people are going to be left out and not invited despite that they have the experience and minimum average item level gear. There is already a noticeable decline in WoW’s population after only 5 weeks of patch 11.1. With this new logs addon it will categorize players into what color their logs are, and divide the playerbase leading to even less players signing up for pugs due to demotivating them.
There is only one outcome of this new logs addon: It will exclude and divide players into categories and the end result will be that pugs will mostly only request and consist of players with high logs.
My suggestions
The most obvious suggestion is that Blizzard should simply ban the addon before it becomes wide-spread. This has crossed the line by miles.
Try to resist downloading the addon, and think about if you really want the community to become as elitist as it will be if everyone uses it. Be the community that you want it to be.
It’s a bit sad that this is the route that the game is continuing down. This and some other new tools all feel like things designed to exclude people rather than to include.
Having said that, all this addon is doing is making currently available information more accessible.
The addon won’t / shouldn’t be banned - I’m not sure what Blizz can do but its getting to the point where they need to do something from stopping the community from disappearing up its own backside.
I won’t download it but I’m not really its target audience.
I also don’t think opting out of warcraftlogs is a good solution, if someone does look you up, they won’t see that you did it out of protest, they’ll just see a bad person trying to hide things.
Once we leave the theorems of forum and go into the game and between the players, we can see it is already used a lot.
It is what it is, inb4 people come saying you can opt out of sharing all Blizzards data with 3rd parties (you dont own your char) - we all know how it goes.
Lets acknowledge it is a dilemma cause I am the same, cause of problem nevertheless. If I am unable to see RIO and Wlogs spreadsheet, it is no invite from me. Thats the way it is.
I don’t want to be in a group with someone who’s mindset is “we need an orange parsing meta group for my +6 key”.
Those guys are usually very toxic and I am more than happy if they avoid me, spares me the negative experience.
I’m using raidlogs (even if it’s just LFR) for selecting my PuGs and I’m always trying to get suitable people for the content that I’m about to do.
Ended up in me choosing lower m+ score players over higher players several times and having a very good experience with less toxicity ever since I started sorting by logs…
So in the end it’s as I said: I don’t want to play with those elitists either, so let them sort me out. Saves me the work of sorting them out and I might not decline people that are “too good” for my run because I expect them to turn into toxic drama queens the second something doesn’t go according to the latest MDI-strategy.
Yeah… that’s the reason why I prefer not to invite high Rio players to my mid level keys…
Raiderio addon provided a benefit. It parsed through blizzard’s dungeon rankings in order to parse what keys someone did. At the start in legion there was no other way to easily see the experience of someone doing keys.
As of now, you can easily search anyone you are inviting in a raid for their warcraft logs. This addon offers 0 new functionality, especially for something that happens only 1/week/per alt.
So yeah, I wouldn’t worry about that addon actually becoming mainstream. You already can see the parses of the people you invite, and you only care about them not being gray across the board (which happens for the people that got boosted through the content).
If I’m doing a push key at the 12-15 range, I’d be happy to differentiate grey parses from others. I can use reason and accept blue parsers if purple or better are scarce, but I’d be happy to not choose the 3100 rated insert generic spec here who ends up doing an average of 2M dps. It saves me the trouble of being met with false expectations, and I won’t have to carry people in content where they can’t pull their own weight. Likewise, I won’t be able to get myself into groups above my skill level where I’ll be getting carried.
I see it more like a functioning match-making system for PvE, where players of similar skill eventually will flock to each other. No longer will I have to invite based on ilvl or rating, but now I can invite based upon the players skill. It’s finally a step closer to “Bring the player, not the class”.
Of course there are drawbacks too, but if you’re currently not punching above your weight I can’t see it affecting you in a noteworthy way.
It can but is there anything that could be done to stop it if its addon that people want. Looks like an interesting addon for pugs in raiding anyway, just like raider io for m+
But isnt that how its always been or is progress raiding pugable now. I even had to switch guilds few times to progress. Only after some time and with logs from the first ones I got in one that clears mythic before season end. Were process of its own and same for all that want to start raiding I guess.
Game is not even that hard i capped vault 10 on my tank healer and dps in about a day, people have been lot more friendly and tolerant as well, except late in the week.
For a very long time it’s the same - you take people in keys/raids, they do strange/wrong/bad things - key depleted/raid disbanded - you go in lower level key than you need or reassemble raid again and again.
E.g., How many times my keys were broken? A LOT.
I’m tired of it, and since game doesn’t punish in any terms people who ruining for others their game experience coz they don’t want to…no, not watch 10000000 hours of guides on youtube, but at least check adventure guide for bosses abilities or just say something like “hey, I wasn’t here before/was here but didn’t get it, can someone explain how exactly I must act with ***?” - there must be something on players side so they could somehow manage how to filter that ppl from someone who trying to really finish the key/raid. It is NOT fun to spend time with zero results.
I have no idea, how it shall work for mythic plus, as higher keys you run, then better logs u have, it’s impossible to have something higher than blue parses on keys below 8. And the funniest stuff, you can be totally garbage player, but have 90+ parses because sometimes u got carried in “weekly 10, vault run”
This is only true for people who don’t know how to read logs, and just check for the standard “points” format. For exampe your logs for The Rookery is an orange 98 in points, but a blue 70 (89 adjusted for ilvl) in damage. This indicates that of all frost DKs running The Rookery at that key level (a 10 is logged in your case), 30% of unholy DKs will do more damage (11% id adjusted for ilvl).
You can check logs for damage compared by key level, and even adjust for ilvl. You can check for interrupts, defensive usage, etc. You can check for pretty much anything, the addon would just have to develop a bit so it can inform players who can’t read logs about all that.
It is true that eventually you’ll see people with grey damage parses in +18 keys though. However, that doesn’t mean they’re bad. No matter the performance, someones parses MUST be grey, and at a high enough level the player pool is just too small for grey parses to indicate poor performance. It will instead just indicate that you’re among the worst at that key level. In keys qhere the player pool is quite large though, like 0-12, it is a very good indicator of player skill.
I’d dare say it’s more common to be used by people who are sick and tired of carrying. Most of the people in need of carries don’t even know these addons exists.
