New player here. Why does WoW have the most elitist community I've ever seen?

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Hello everyone,

quick question here. I’m a relatively new player. I started late in S2 of TWW and decided to main a healer. Currently sitting at 3200 ish IO and 2/8M in raid, all done through pugs. Now I’m hoping to find a guild that actually plays high-end content.

My question is, what’s up with elitism in WoW? I’ve played many competitive games, but WoW easily has one of the most narcissistic and ego-driven playerbases I’ve seen. If your logs aren’t purple or orange, people look at you like you’ve got the plague. Have 50 IO less than a key holder in a +16 or +17 dungeon? You’re the plague again (Declined) Not playing a meta S-tier spec from Wowhead? No invites above +15.

I’ve also noticed that many players go for the “easiest route” to higher scores by playing Hunters or Mages, yet ironically, those two have depleted more of my keys than any others, according to my logs and personal stats. Just think about it how many hunters apply to your keys compared to other classes.

Also, since I am primarily enjoying M+, all my M+ logs are orange, with some being 99s, and my raid logs are all purple which means I’m among top performers, yet the guild invites I often get are for trial spots for second teams, playing alongside with people who do +12 keys not +15s and above and also have lower performances than I do. So What’s up with that?

I’m genuinely curious, as someone who really enjoys the game, what’s fundamentally wrong with this community mentality in general?

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For the love of God, say everything except: Form your own keys. Do not act like you aren’t afk sitting in Dorno waiting for that tank for 20 minutes at LEAST, while having a big risk of voting the run in the middle of it.

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Basically answered your own question.

“Why don’t I get invited to content despite me being better than everyone else” is pretty much what you said and anyone else pugging high content says the same.

The game is toxic, has been for a while, and it only got worse when the more casual playerbase gave up and started playing something else which only increased the overall % of toxic people.

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It’s because many casual players are watching S tier classes according to WOWHEAD’s website.

They pick those very same classes because they saw their favorite streamers do well in them , thinking they will do the same.

I also have a terrible win-ratio with mages and hunters.. I think it’s because everyone wants to be a top dog ( dmgwise ) so they roll a hunter,especially a BM hunter.

Mage on other hand requires more buttons to press to do proper damage unlike BM hunters.

Don’t get me wrong,but releasing a season 3 then remix on top of that…

Literally ruined their own season for old content.

Obviously nobody is forcing me to pay for the sub,but when i do. I’d like to play some mythic dungeons..

All though the rewards after timing higher keys is bad.

Why can’t we get atleast more gold when dungeon is finished?

That gold that we get cant even cover the repair :upside_down_face:

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Because the stakes for failure are high. With how the mythic raid lockout system is people aren’t rewarded for taking “risks”. If it is your key that is bricked you have to waste time leveling it up. The system fosters this mindset.

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Self aggrandizement from a growing number of players over the years. It sucks but that’s what happens when a form of entertainment becomes a second job where scores and metas become important.

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You started late in S2, which means you have not been playing 6 months, and already:

  • You have KSL and you are on your way to AOTC before joining according to your words “high end content”. Therefore you treat what you have as average content
  • You boast about having only orange parses in M+ and purple in raid
  • You look down on players playing specific classes because they have higher chance of “depleting your keys”
  • You boast about having higher performance than other players in your range

What happens is that the game is filled with players like you. And being new, you got the receiving end of that populace’s behaviour before you started being the one applying it too.

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Actually I do have AOTC and everything I mentioned was achieved entirely through pugs. This post waasn’t meant as boasting, it’s pointing out how broken the mentality is when new players who perform well are met with skepticism instead of encouragement. Also I appreciate your input but facts → assumptions. Also since you’re mentioning AOTC it says a lot about you, especially this late at season with the gear we are currently running.

Also, since links aren’t allowed, look up Daeriuspri. I am rank 78 disc priest(non meta disc(oracle)) on full pop realm, after few months of play time. Probably would be inside top 50 if I got more invites, like cough cough rsham, rdruids get. Have I struck a nerve?

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This is a bit ironic, since you kind of making the same mistakes that you blame others of doing.

Being new you are forgiven for making wrong assumptions, but still you must understand something.

Doing higher keys does not mean that you are a better player than someone else, especially in a raid setting. Also logs in m+ do not mean anything.

What you got to understand is that m+ and raid are totally different game modes. In m+ you are generally pugging, and you are only limited by your own time and ability in order to push if you want to. Also there are no real rewards for anything over 12.

Now for raids, officers in the higher end look for specific things:

  • Players that can fit socially in the guild without creating issues.
  • Players that know their class and can contribute into a raid fight
  • Players that will stick with progress and not get bored in 3 weeks
  • Players that know what is expected from them in progress

So while you can potentially say that you fit the criteria of knowing your spec/class, being new you have no experience of being a social part of the guild or sticking in a 500 pull raid progression (the last 2-3 bosses each tier).

There is also the fact of being “negatively” prepared from m+. In m+ you are expected to going in “blind”, and learning as you go. If something goes wrong, you learn it and prepare for next time. In raids, that kind of mentality is bad. You only have 6/9 hours per week in order to progress with your team, and any kind of mistakes will take time from that progress. Good raiders are the ones that know how to prepare for fights, know how to search for info, and how to play with the information they got. This is something that m+ has not prepared players for.

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My god… you complain about elitism and have that filthy attitude yourself…

The reality if wow is the following: you reap what you saw. If you have such an elitist attitude all you will get are elitist responses.

And dont put a pikachu face… its the same in the RW. I am surprised you haven’t figured it out yet.

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You make valid points about the differences between M+ and raiding, but you’re doing the exact same thing I described in my original post , you are making assumptions.

How do you know that:

  1. I don’t research fights mechanics beforehand?

  2. I can’t be a stable guild memeber for months?

  3. I have an “M+ mentality” in raids?

My purple logs prove I already understand mechanics and can perform while executing fights properly. All of my results came from pugs which means I educated myself for ever yencounter without a guild to hold my hand.

I am not asking for a free spot in top guilds. I’m asking not to be dismissed based on assumptions rather than actual performance. That was the entire point of my post.

BTW if we are talking about social fit then maybe guilds need more players who base their judgments on facts rather than prejudices don’t you think?

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Purple logs as a healer is a bad metric. It means your party is taking more damage than necessary. So it measures the raid’s performance. Not yours.

Also. Heroic raid is a meme. Guilds are not there to “hold your hand”. They are there to organize and structure a 20 man team to overcome challanges.

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Ew, a new player…

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https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/Daeriuspri

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So, first I wasn’t good enough, when I proved wrong, then my attitude was filthy. Now that’s failed too, so suddenly my logs “don’t count”? So which is it guys?

Your logic isn’t flawed, it’s movable.

The most telling part about how right I am is how personally offended so many of you are. If I were truly wrong, you wouldn’t need to try so hard to silence me with insults instead of arguments.

We can run in circles forever but my original point has been proven, not only by facts but by every single triggered reply.

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What kind of mythic guilds are you applying to? Most of the good guilds will be far into progression and on the later bosses and will probably not consider someone with 2/8 M and no previous raid experience. Maybe try getting into guilds from start of season next time? Hard to say why guilds don’t want you or want you to trial for 2nd team with the little information you give.

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You are part of the problem, you are arrogant and rude do better.

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I do not know that, but neither do the guilds you are applying to, neither do you.

This is the point, that if you do not have the experience, then by definition you never tried it. Any guild that takes you, will be taking a gamble, compared to a player that has already done it in the past.

Not really. I can tell you for a fact that anyone can do purple logs in heroic, and go into mythic and proceed to die 5 pulls in a row.

The main problem that I see from what you are saying, is that you have too much confidence, which most of the time is off putting due to prelevance of dunning-kruger effect. If you are trying to join a guild, the last thing you want is to show that you are overconfident and you “know what to do” even though you never did it before. This shows the officers that you will be most of the time negative towards feedback, and will not take it well when you are benched for needs of the fights.

At the end of the day, if you are trying to join a high end guild, you must understand that their goal is not to make a good environment for you, but to find players to help their guild achieve their goals. Providing a good enough argument or proof that you are gonna be an asset to their group is not enough, you must provide proof and arguments that you are gonna be better than the other potential recruits.

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You just perfectly proved my entire point.

You admit guilds have zero evidence I can’t perform, but reject me based on assumptions instead of giving me a chance to prove myself. You call this a “gamble” I call it judging the players on actual performance.

You claim purple logs are meaningless, yet they’re the exact same metric guilds use to recruit. So which is it? Do logs matter or not? Or do they only matter when they support your existing biases?

And the irony of telling me I have “too much confidence” for providing verifiable proof while YOU make assumptions with zero evidence.

The mental gymnastics here are impressive. According to your own logic:

Good performance = “overconfidence”

No mythic experience = “unreliable”

Proving facts = “negative attitude”

Meanwhile, the player with worse logs, but experienced one gets the spot. This isn’t meritocracy, this is circle jerk in purest form.

You’ve literally become the living embodiment of everything wrong with this community that I described in my original post. Thank you for your perfect demonstration, kind sir.

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Ofc it is a gamble. Every raid is 3 hours which is working towards killing the boss and progressing. If they bring you with them, then someone else is staying out, and they do not know if you can actually perform, or if you will play like playing a hc boss.

It is by definition a gamble.

It is more complex. One of the best metric is of having myhtic progression logs form a previous guild. This is because others can check how often you die, and from what mechanics. I am saying that purple logs in heroic do not matter, because when you go into the last boss, you will have the top 10% of the players in there, and when you were in the top 20% of players in heroic, you will find out you are in the bot 30% of the best players in mythic.

This is the important part, it is not that you have good performance, it is that you have no performance in high end raid environment.

Correct, if someone has not done something, by definition he is not reliable in that area.

You are not proving any facts.

The facts that you have:

  • You are a player that is doing pretty high keys
  • Can play his class in keys
  • Is new and has no experience in high end raids

The above facts do not make you necesarrily a good recruit for a high end raiding guild. There is a plethora of recruits that are similar to you, and guilds just cannot spend all their hours giving everyone a chance, in case they find a hidden gem.

Btw at this point I think you understand that we are not discussing if wow has a community problem or not. It goes without saying that yes, the community is bad, although not that bad as you are saying. LoL and Dota 2 are WAY worse.

What we discuss is the reason this happens to you, as well as ways to avoid it. You are not alone, every player in this game goes through the same thing, and it kind of sucks, but this happens when you are competing against other players.

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The real question is whether enduring this excruciating pain of an experience is worth your time.

I know it ain’t worth mine.

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